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    Posted: June-24-2022 at 8:10pm
This is my first post here so I want to start with hello. I recently got the bug to refinish some of my Daisys from the 1970s. I have three model 96 and a No.1938. My question is about the Red Ryder saddle ring and staple. It is missing and I have been unable to find a schematic that shows how this was attached in 1975. I know the staple was metal and had the receiver has two round holes side by side. It doesn’t go to through the gun like a 111-40. The newer 1938b and a have vertical holes and a different style staple. I am wondering if any one had a loose staple from a 1938 that they could share a picture of or point me in the direction of a schematic that shows how it was attached. Thanks in advance. Tim
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Hi Tom.   I see that you are from my old home town.   Well, if your Red Ryder is the one I'm thinking of, the staple is made of a band of
flat steel and is bent over inside of the receiver. But the ones I've seen had square holes, not round. A modern staple should fit in the round holes weather horizontal or vertical.
I've seen all varieties of the Red Ryder with missing staples.   Sometimes a lot of fun equals a little abuse.   Sorry bud that I don't have a spare for you unless you want to try a new plastic staple. I'd be happy to hook you up. If all else fails you can try to fab one.   Yinz can get my email address from my profile.
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Thanks. I want to fab one but wondered how they did it originally. The original as I recall was a round stock just like the ring itself. I have thought of threading round stock or have several other ides in mind. I considered several options but really would like to know/see how it was done originally!
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Russ, he's talking about the "No. 1938 Red Ryder Carbine"- you know, the one made 1972 to 1979. It was the Red Ryder right before the 1938B became the only 'Ryder available.

You did a thread on that type of saddle ring (link below), except for a 111-40. Maybe the same procedure could be used to attach the saddle ring "bracket" inside the receiver, but there may be a problem with having enough room for the nut to attach it. Maybe solder or epoxy would hold it...

Shane's videos are here. If you like them- which you probably will- you can show support by subscribing and hitting "like":  https://www.youtube.com/c/RestOModDaisy/videos 

He has 2 on doing the saddle ring on a model 94. He calls them latigos. This shows the early type 94 that goes through the receiver like a 111-40. The later 94s are just like the No. 1938Daisy Model 94 Latigo loop removal part 1 and Daisy Model 94 Latigo loop reattachment part 2

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Thanks for the links. I could also tigweld it permanently! JB weld would be removable. Cobalt I believe I have purchased springs for a couple of model 96 from you on eBay.
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I appreciate your business- thank you. If you can tig weld it, that would mean no worries about any clearance issues from using a nut, since the attachment is inside the receiver. You'd probably want to use some cool blue or similar heatsink material to protect the finish.
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I would like to see how it was done originally. Before marking any permanent changes.
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Originally posted by cobalt327 cobalt327 wrote:

Russ, he's talking about the "No. 1938 Red Ryder Carbine"- you know, the one made 1972 to 1979. It was the Red Ryder right before the 1938B became the only 'Ryder available.

You did a thread on that type of saddle ring (link below), except for a 111-40. Maybe the same procedure could be used to attach the saddle ring "bracket" inside the receiver, but there may be a problem with having enough room for the nut to attach it. Maybe solder or epoxy would hold it...

Shane's videos are here:  https://www.youtube.com/c/RestOModDaisy/videos<span style="font-size: medium;"> </span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">He has 2 on doing the saddle ring on a model 94. He calls them </span><i style="font-size: medium;">latigos<span style="font-size: medium;">: </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", "serif"; -: initial; -: initial; -size: initial; -repeat: initial; -attachment: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial;">[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nojfskA068&t=84s]<font size="3" style="]Daisy Model 94 Latigo loop removal part 1[/URL]<span style="font-size: 14pt;"> and </span></span>Daisy Model 94 Latigo loop reattachment part 2






Thanks, Mark, for the clarification.   I know what it's about now.   About the nuts, it is possible to shave or grind them thinner if needed. I've even made thin nuts by using a piece of steel just thick enough to support a couple threads and then tap into it. There's always a way!
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Hi guys I make one out of a nail I picked up at Ace Hardware I found one that would fit the whole perfect and I got a couple of them and made the ring and I made the staple worked out great might try that have a great day. Old George
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Airitis what part of Pa are you now from? I am actually north of the city

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