A Christmas Story movie gun

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   I'm sure most of us have heard many tales about how Daisy made a gun that never existed for the movie A Christmas Story. Also, that the Christmas Story Museum recently paid $10,000 for Ralphie's old blue.So, I have a survey question for you.  Take a look at the photos of the gun at the website below and report what you see.  Is the frame an early 1940s No. 111, Model 40 frame, or is it an early Model 1938 frame? 

Red Ryder BB Gun Prop (achristmasstoryhouse.com)

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DaisyBBgunner Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: November-01-2004 Location: United States Points: 293	Post Options Post Reply Quote DaisyBBgunner Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: A Christmas Story movie gun Posted: January-11-2021 at 3:22pm
	I'm sure most of us have heard many tales about how Daisy made a gun that never existed for the movie A Christmas Story. Also, that the Christmas Story Museum recently paid $10,000 for Ralphie's old blue. So, I have a survey question for you. Take a look at the photos of the gun at the website below and report what you see. Is the frame an early 1940s No. 111, Model 40 frame, or is it an early Model 1938 frame? Red Ryder BB Gun Prop (achristmasstoryhouse.com)
	Gary Garber daisybbgunner@aol.com

jackdog Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: June-01-2016 Location: Cape may, NJ Points: 169	Post Options Post Reply Quote jackdog Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 5:13pm
	It definitely is a 111/40, not a 1938, it is stamped "Plymouth Mich. on the frame. Also there is no Lot No., or Reg No. below the stamping (I think that is where they put that). As shown in second close-up photo Regards, Rick (known to be wrong sometimes - LOL) Rick
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stevec Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: September-22-2003 Points: 1332	Post Options Post Reply Quote stevec Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 5:15pm
	I think it was an early NO 1938 not model 1938 or the old 111-40. The NO1938 would have been readily available Stevec

Airitis Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: October-06-2016 Location: PA Points: 646	Post Options Post Reply Quote Airitis Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 5:19pm
	Well, in my very humble opinion, the front sight and low lever bolt look almost identical to one of my 111 40s. I've always believed that the gun on the web site was not the one Ralphie used on camera. I do believe Daisy produced 6 guns from spare parts. Who knows what is the source?
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oldwizzer Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: February-15-2006 Location: United States Points: 1031	Post Options Post Reply Quote oldwizzer Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 5:25pm
	Without doing any homework I'll go with a Red Ryder 111-40 - First Model, noted the rear sight is adjustable, small screw on top of receiver, pinched bands . Ejwills.
	Ejwills

Dazycrazy Members Profile Find Members Posts Groupie Joined: December-28-2020 Points: 22	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dazycrazy Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 7:28pm
	I believe the gun Ralphie falls asleep holding in the end scene is the 10k gun purchased by the museum which to me looks to be a first varient copper band. It is not however the one ralphie takes out the box Christmas morning. That one looks to be a 1938. It had to look brand new so that 10k gun did not fit the bill. The compass was crudely installed and the gun looks to me an old first varient copper band. The gun shown in the scenes looks like a 1938 going by where the lever screw is located... Like Rick said I've been wrong before. Just my two cents

Airitis Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: October-06-2016 Location: PA Points: 646	Post Options Post Reply Quote Airitis Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 7:36pm
	FYI, I saw an interview with someone from Daisy who stated that the copper bands were painted, not plated.
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Iceman Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: February-09-2012 Location: Missouri Points: 340	Post Options Post Reply Quote Iceman Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 7:41pm
	Airitis, you are absolutely correct. The bands were painted.
	Steve

Dazycrazy Members Profile Find Members Posts Groupie Joined: December-28-2020 Points: 22	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dazycrazy Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 8:44pm
	They were indeed painted.. as we know, a 1938 didn't have copper bands... Notice the location of the lever screw. Tells the story.

39hunter Members Profile Find Members Posts Red Ryder Member Joined: August-09-2012 Location: Texas Points: 434	Post Options Post Reply Quote 39hunter Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January-11-2021 at 10:19pm
	Look at the location of the cocking lever screw, it is definitely a No. 111 Model 40.
	Pat