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    Posted: December-08-2018 at 9:37pm
The following is some info I've put together on the way the REG/LOT NO. are formatted. It's not complete yet but what is here might be useful to folks. There's one document that tells the story of the convoluted Daisy numbering "system" but it was compiled sometime in the early '90s, I'm guessing. It's HERE. Also the Daisy museum has a form you can fill out and mail to them to get info (form HERE)
 
 
 

The number Daisy first used was called the Register Number, or “REG. NO.”. The REG. NO. was a letter followed by six numbers on most guns (the No. 25 briefly used a number without any prefix). Beginning late 1972 the REG. NO. was formatted to let anyone knowing how, to decipher the year and month the gun was "made' (actually it was the date the gun was stamped, actual production could lag behind the stamping date). The REG. NO. stayed in use until sometime in the mid-'70s when it was changed to a “LOT NO.” Letters A through M (less “I”) was the month, the first number was the last number of the year. This lasted about 10 years before being changed in approximately 1982 to One digit (year)>One letter (month)>Five digits (production sequence), then in about 1993 it changed to Two digits (year)>One letter (month)>Five digits (production sequence). Since then it has changed several more times but I haven't pinned down the dates as closely on the late model guns as I have the earlier guns.

 

The very first Model 880s did not have REG. NO.s formatted in such a way tht the date could be discerned by anyone- the Daisy Museum was where that info is kept. After contacting Joe Murfin at the Museum, he replied with the following info on the first early 880s:

 

From: Joe Murfin <jmurfin@daisymuseum.com>
Sent:
Wednesday, December 12, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Daisy Model 880

"The first 880 frame was stamped A113155 on May 16, 1972.  So the A designation was simply a beginning of the model's Register No. sequence (can't tell you why it was not A000000.)  On October 5, 1972, a batch of 880 frames were stamped with Reg. No.s B061994 to B067600."

 

 

I often read that "I" wasn't used by Daisy as LOT or REG. NO. prefix. The way I'm seeing it shake out is, "I" WAS used as a prefix before Daisy changed the numbers along about 1972 to allow anyone knowing the 'code' to decipher the year and month the gun was made. No doubt the thought was that “I” could be mistaken for the number “1”. So up until 1972 “I” was used, after ’72 “I” was not used.

 

The following pertains directly to the model 880 but I suspect other models will follow a similar pattern but the exact changeover dates may well be different. From 1993 on, I need a lot more samples.

 

·         One letter>Six digits changed to One digit>One letter>Five digits

o    1982 Sept. LOT NO. J202705

o    1984 April  LOT NO 4D08949 (this should eventually be shown to have begun late 1982)

·         One digit>One letter>Five digits changed to Two digits>One letter>Five digits

o    1992 Aug., 20th Anniversary 880 LOT NO. 2H03196

o    1992 Dec. LOT NO. 92M15985 (NOT a 20th Anniversary model)

·         Two digits>One letter>Five digits changed to Four digits>Space>Five digits

o    1993 Oct., LOT NO. 93K02596

o    1995 Aug. LOT NO. 0895 03612 (this should eventually be shown to have begun by early 1994) (this should eventually be shown to have begun 0194 xxxxx, according to the ‘Reg. No. Document of Record’

·         LOT NO. Four digits>Space>Five digits changed to S/N Twelve digits>One letter (at some point S/N was used briefly)

o    2006 Oct. LOT NO. 1006 12227

o    2013 April S/N 162012430204Q

Also, at some point no designation was used (no “LOT” or “S/N”) but unsure when this began or ended- or if it has ended.

 

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DATING CLUES

  • Daisy started using plastic for stocks and forearms in late 1950

  • Look for a “REG. NO." / “REGISTER NO.” or a "LOT NO." Daisy began stamping guns with register numbers in 1952; "LOT NO." started about 1972
  • Blued ended, painted began 1952-‘53
  • High (newer) lever pivot position began on Red Ryder Model 94 Carbine on May 10, 1954
  • Oil holes began about 1955
  • Scope holes used about 1955 until late ‘60s- early ‘70s, only seen on guns carrying a "REG. NO."
  • Look for “Plymouth MI” or “Rogers AR”. Daisy moved from Plymouth to Rogers in 1958
  • On sears guns, the J.C. Higgins brand ended shortly after Sears introduced the Ted Williams brand in 1961
  • The round dime-size woodgrain Daisy sticker on the lever flange was used when Heddon/Victor was involved with Daisy, seen between ~1970 and ~1977

 

  • Plastic trigger/non removable shot tube began 1979-’80

  • Slotted screws changed to phillips about 1973

  • Warnings cast/stamped on the gun began ~1988

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Once again, this is good stuff, Cobalt. I even printed off this info to use as a handy reference. It is waayyyy too much to commit to memory.....at least for me. Good to have on hand.
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it.
 
PLEASE CHECK HERE FOR UPDATES 
I'm listing these things by the approximate time they began so new entries will not necessarily be added to the end of the list.
 
DATING CLUES
12-18-18 Added info about dating Heddon/Victor guns
12-19-18 Added when warnings appeared on guns
12-24-18 Added Sears model info
1-2-19 Added when plastic started
1-3-19 Amended date bluing ended
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Very informative thread. I just got a Mod 99 today, for free. In pretty decent condition, too, except the shot tube is missing and it has a broken lever. Just got a lever ordered off of Ebay and I ordered a new shot tube from Daisy. I think everything else is good, but I am new to these older Daisy's. If anyone can tell me the approximate manufacture date for this 99, I'd appreciate it. I'm just curious. Wood stock with a missing medallion, and wood forend, along with a factory sling. It is: 
Reg# 607075 It *might* be L607075. I can't tell if the "L" is just a small scratch that looks like an L or not. Thanks! 
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It likely is a letter L, that would follow the REG. NO. pattern of one letter followed by six numbers. There's a chance it was made Nov. 1976 but w/o the lever being there to give a clue I just cannot be sure. There's a good chance your gun was made before it was possible for anyone knowing how, to read the date from the stamping. To be sure you will need to send a form in to the Daisy Museum, there's a link at the end of the first paragraph of post #1.
 
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Steve, I wish I had a nickle for each Daisy I found with a missing shot tube. There were a few comments on here a while back on that subject, and the frustration it causes. Some of us have "Frankensteined" those guns by screwing in model 25 shot tubes. The length may not be exactly the same but it might get the gun back in shooting condition.

I have a couple extra tubes on hand for just such an occasion. Daisy still sells them. Less than $15 each as I recall.

Is your 99 a single shot or some other variation?
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SteveinUT, if you see this re read my post- I edited it.
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Thanks gents! I have a new shot tube on-order from Daisy for it. I don't *think* it's a single shot? I guess I'll find out when the shot tube gets here. By the manual, it looks like the tube is unscrewed from the barrel and then there is a tab I slide forward to expose the fill port. The manual says it's a 50 shot tube, if I remember correctly. 
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Good to go. Another old Daisy back in service. It even shoots pretty good, so I think the seals are ok. Oiled them up so hoping it will build even better power. At about 10 yards it won't reliably penetrate a pop can, but it did manage to punch through a couple of times. 
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