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    Posted: August-01-2020 at 5:08pm
Have a customer who works on 25's and got a very early one with the two piece trigger.  It had the flat wire compression spring in it but one leg was broken off , so it did not work.   So several weeks later he got a spring from me but now he can not remember how the sear and trigger go together.  Anyone have information on this assembly.

Here is a pic I stole from Jay (Gumslinger) fro m a previous post..  that is the trigger assembly I am referring to.



The next question is  will the newer version of the 25 trigger spring work in this trigger assembly once it is back in the gun?  I have no experience with this early trigger assembly so I can't help him.  But would appreciate any comments or help here.  Thanks.  Rick

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Oh boy, I wish your buddy had taken pics of his disassembly before it was loose parts. I've learned to do that the hard way--really has saved my butt in the past. As far as his particular spring, I have never seen a schematic, description, or explanation of how this trigger is assembled. And believe me, I have looked. (We need a retired Daisy gunsmith on this forum).  

These pics are from a work in progress. A first variant, 1914, maybe a prototype. Trigger was loose & floppy. Upon opening, there was no flat-wire spring as I was expecting, BUT there was a coil spring (bent aside) and a rotating wire in a slot. (sheesh--only seen that in a No 25 patent). For what it is worth in this case, these are the pics of that disassembly. For all I know there was supposed to be a flat spring in there as well.
PS. If your buddy can reinstall his spring, please, please have him post the results here. Thanks.



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Jay I had a hunch you would have some info on this trigger...  As I looked at it when he asked me some questions I began to realize this is an oddball.  i mean its not all that easy to figure out unless you saw one put together.  Never saw a 25 with a coil spring in the stock nor any wire in a slot!!  Holy cow I think yours is really baffling to me! He did say his had a broken flat wire compression spring in it.  But made no mention of a coil or wire..  I am going to send him this post and hope he can shed some more light on this.  I'm intrigued...  
Thanks Jay as always...

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Good afternoon!
I just now joined the forum so we can discuss my issue with the trigger arrangement. Thanks to everyone involved, so far. 
My gun had a coil spring also. Unfortunately it simply fell out with the trigger parts as I removed the pivot bolt. I will post pictures and comments as time permits.
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Jerry    Welcome to the forum, and glad you could add some comments about your 25 trigger..  
Posting Photos is somewhat involved , but I would be glad to put any up for you if you email them to me... Regards, rick
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Since there is no published information on replacing an early No. 25 trigger spring, I can only suggest these photos as a guide. The very early triggers have a rear-most pivot point. The next generation triggers have a front pivot point, and the ‘paperclip’ spring inserts as shown in the sketch. So does this mean the flat-wire spring inserts pointing in the opposite direction?

The long leg on the 2nd generation spring holds the safety bar down, so I presume the long leg on the flat-wire spring must do the same, in whichever orientation it is installed.




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Just for archival purposes, I am going to post the trigger pictures of the No. 25 Variant 1, screw-in-the-receiver (which holds the safe bar in place) in this thread. This gun is an oddball, trigger-wise, and I will follow up on the exploration as I continue--especially if I learn anything about the rotating wire thing…PS--this gun had been opened in the past, so I cannot state that anything might be missing, or switched, or…who knows.

 The trigger spring itself is: 

--9/64” ID

    --7/32---13/64” OD

    --1 7/16” long







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Wonder if there is something in Gary Garber's book about this
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