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    Posted: January-27-2024 at 4:49pm
Hey I'm just wondering if anybody knows when Daisy changed from a removable Fastener to a permanently installed rivet for the plunger spring anchor stay.


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Hey Bryan

You know, I don't recall seeing a removable rivet, so I'll be watching this thread with interest. Seems like not a day goes by that I don't learn something from the awesome members here... Thumbs Up

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bryno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-28-2024 at 1:48pm
Mark thanks for the reply now I'm wondering what I'm looking at here there are two guns posted on eBay. One of them is a first variant black nickel LED shooting Model 25 the other one is a 10236 both of them have what appear to be original Fasteners and square nuts for the anchor pin. I was kind of thinking about the 10236 to be honest with you I can't afford the 25 and dude wants enough to go buy a motorcycle. Anyway I didn't want to buy a gun that had been modified too much but the seller of the model 25 seems to know what he's talking about he's saying that changed in 1914. Who knew
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Bryan, now I'm scratching my head. A "square" nut on the anchor pin? Even if Daisy did use a through bolt, why one square nut when they are known to use hex nuts? As Mark said, there is always something new to learn. Or is there? 🙄
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bryno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-28-2024 at 9:34pm
Well I have to defer to you guys you know more than I do. This guy clearly calls out that as the original way they were made. But it's the internet you can say whatever you want.



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The 25 did have a screw in 1914, but it did not exit the right side like the takedown screw. But I don't think a square nut was used anywhere on the 25. Photo and caption from DAISY KING online:


Personally, I have my doubts about the square nut/slotted screw as being original on the 102-36. If it is original, it's the first one I've ever seen.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bryno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January-29-2024 at 4:39pm
Okay well frankly I was just trying to reverse engineer the age of the 102-36. I figured if it had a screw and it was original then it would be as old as the 25. Now granted I have no idea what the the first year of the 102-36 was. But it's a scavenger hunt just trying not to end up with another shade tree experimental project. Good to know the guy with the 25 wasn't lying to me and by the way I think the other photographs show that that Fastener does not go through the right side on the model 25. The 102-36 clearly has a Fastener that matches but it does have a square nut on the other side now granted that could have been the replacement 50 years ago when they lost the hex nut for the first time. Anyway thanks for your leg work sir.
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Well, being a collector of model 25s I can say for sure model 25 never had a nut on any of its screws. So I would venture to say that 25 with the square nut was put on by somebody in the past history of it. Also I believe the 102 model 36 was introduced in 1936 and the parts catalog I have from 1938 shows  single nuts for the Lever Screw and the Side Stock and Trigger Screws.  Just my input.

 
HERE ARE PARTS DIAGRAMS  -  NO NUTS TO BE FOUND ON THE MODEL 25  DIAGRAMS.....

102/36 FROM 1938 PARTS CATALOG



BLOW-UP OF NUTS SHOWN ON PARTS DIAGRAM ABOVE - CERTAINLY SHOWING HEX NUTS.




PARTS DIAGRAM FOR VERY EARLY MODEL 25




HERE IS THE SAME PARTS LIST AS SEEN  IN THE LID OF OF THE BOX FOR  A VARIANT 1 MODEL 25.   IT IS NOT THAT CLEAR OF A PICTURE AS THE ONE ABOVE, BUT AGAIN NO NUTS.












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Well there you go one with nuts and one without. Thanks for all your help guys I do appreciate it sometimes I'm afraid you guys are going to think I have lobsters growing out of my ears. Anyway fantastic information I think I'll skip that gun. And by the by way into the model 25 now myself they are really cool contraptions.
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Not to put too fine of a point on this, the following is what Joe Murfin sends to folks asking about the No. 102 Model 36 or Model 102:

"The 102 has a long history in the Daisy product line.  The No. 102 was first made from 1933 to 1935 as the No. 102, Model 33. It was a 500-shot gun with wood stock and nickel finish.


"In 1936 it became the No. 102 Model 36 and maintained the nickel finish until 1942. It was nickel plated from 1936 to 1942. In 1942, when the use of nickel was prohibited (due to WWII), the gun was made with a blued finish. Production of the blued gun resumed after WWII, from 1945 to 1958 in Plymouth (then from 1958 to 1978 in Rogers, AR.)

"In 1952 it was still blued but was only a 350-shot gun. Guns made after 1952 have a Register No. stamped on top of the frame. ( By the way, the No. 102 is the fore-runner of the Model 105B which is a youth gun, marketed as the Buck today.)

"In 1953 the 102 first had a painted finish and was given a plastic stock in 1954.  

"The Blue Book of Airgun Values estimates the value of this gun in the following percentages of condition and originality to be: 20% $15, 40% $25, 60% $40, 80% $5, 90% $60, 95% $70, 100% $85

"Hope this helps. Joe." END


Regarding when the No. 102 Model 36 became the Model 102:

http://forum.daisymuseum.com/number-102-model-36_topic10475_post45612.html#45612

I have documented two guns that have Reg. No.s that are fairly close, the earlier gun being a No. 102 Model 36 and the newer gun being a Model 102. I got with Joe Murfin for the dates. The results are below:

No. 102 Model 36 with Register No. K169608 was stamped on 6-24-68 

Model 102 with Reg. No. K281736 was stamped on 8-29-68. 

This points to the changeover from No. 102 Model 36 to Model 102 being between 6-24-68 and 8-29-68. I'll update this if new info becomes available.


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