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HELP WITH LITTLE DAISY and broken plunger

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Topic: HELP WITH LITTLE DAISY and broken plunger
Posted By: jackdog
Subject: HELP WITH LITTLE DAISY and broken plunger
Date Posted: January-13-2022 at 7:32pm

Need some help from my friends here,  Got this little Daisy cork gun 20 years ago.  didn't work when I first  got it so I immediately took it apart to see what was going on.  





The issue was a busted plunger. Swore a couple nasty words at the site of that plunger,  then threw the whole  bunch of parts in a baggie and into my parts box and forgot about it.
Dug it out this week when re-discovered it, and now I have two questions , hoping for some answers:
1. Do I have all the parts?  I think there should be a little spring between trigger and sear???
not real sure about the spring but??? Anybody have one so they can check for a spring?





2. Second question : any help on whether the plunger can be  fixed?  maybe welded (I know nothing about welding), bolting a new L shaped piece on?  etc. .any suggestions welcomed and appreciated..
















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Posted By: undertaker
Date Posted: January-13-2022 at 9:19pm
I think you could weld the plunger but your idea about adding an L-bracket could work as well. I would add it to the outside of the L. Silver solder with the correct acid flux should work for the L bracket. Cant help you with the trigger spring. Both of my Little Daisys are break over BB guns with different triggers.


Posted By: Gumslinger
Date Posted: January-13-2022 at 10:20pm
Rick, I think this Upton popgun sketch is a bit newer than your Little Daisy, but maybe it will show some similarities on the innards. If you can find some patent info on your popgun maybe I can come up with its sketch for you.



Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-13-2022 at 10:49pm
THANKS CLIFF FOR INPUT AND THOUGHTS ON THE PLUNGER AND SPRING

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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-13-2022 at 10:57pm
THANKS JAY FOR LOOKING AT THOSE PATENTS,   THIS GUN HAS MARKINGS FOR "PATENTS PENDING" THATS ALL so I guess I'm out of luck there . I'm not sure it had a spring to be honest..
The upton looks pretty different as far as Trigger and has no sear.  
sorry guys I still having trouble typing/  Surgery now Jan 25 to fix this I hope///
Rick


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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-14-2022 at 12:40am
I am still hoping someone has one and they can look and see if there is a spring!  



it is rather uncommon.


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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-14-2022 at 5:22am
I found this photo here:  https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-little-daisy-toy-pop-gun-1825631043" rel="nofollow - The gun is said to be working. It seems to show the relationship between the parts but whether the gun actually works, well, who knows. But maybe from the photo you can see whether a spring would be needed.





Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: January-14-2022 at 5:57pm
I have a Little Daisy that looks like the one in the photo above however. mine is in much better shape and does work.  I do not think the posted picture above is a working model.  The trigger spring seems to be missing in the photo.
Mine does have a short trigger spring between the trigger and the flat metal piece behind the trigger that holds the lever in place when the lever is in its resting position.
The Little Daisy is braded together and does not have screws to take it apart so I am just looking up into the mechanism.  The spring I am looking at is visible from the side without looking directly up into the mechanism.  It is a small diameter and short.
I can probably measure the compressed length however, it is short to fit in between the trigger and the metal retainer for the lever.
I hope this helps.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX


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Posted By: undertaker
Date Posted: January-14-2022 at 7:20pm
You would think that a Daisy that sold for .50 cents would still work after 100 years 😬


Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:01am
thanks Mark I Will lay out the parts the best I can and see what it looks like.  

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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:05am
Originally posted by Rick Cates Rick Cates wrote:

I have a Little Daisy that looks like the one in the photo above however. mine is in much better shape and does work.  I do not think the posted picture above is a working model.  The trigger spring seems to be missing in the photo.
Mine does have a short trigger spring between the trigger and the flat metal piece behind the trigger that holds the lever in place when the lever is in its resting position.
The Little Daisy is braded together and does not have screws to take it apart so I am just looking up into the mechanism.  The spring I am looking at is visible from the side without looking directly up into the mechanism.  It is a small diameter and short.
I can probably measure the compressed length however, it is short to fit in between the trigger and the metal retainer for the lever.
I hope this helps.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

Thanks for looking at yours.  i suspected there was a spring.  will post a pic tomorrow.  do you think I have all the other parts?  can not figure how this would work with the parts I have,
will post more tomorrow.
Rick


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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:08am
Thanks Rick for looking at yours.. I suspected a spring.  Can not figure how this thing works with the parts I Have, Do you think i have all the other parts?
rick


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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 11:52am
From the photos I think you have all the parts.
The little spring between the trigger and the little flat plate also works the latch to hold the plunger when it is fully cocked. The latching mechanism pivots to the broken piece you show in the photos. It holds it until the trigger is pulled.
If I can help further just let me know.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 12:09pm
I think the only missing thing is the little coil spring.
The missing spring is about the size of a ball point pen spring only shorter and bigger coils to make it stronger.
You should be able to get something to get it back working.
You should be able to weld the little piece back.
I would suggest TIG welding it as that will put less heat into the metal around the weld weakening the metal around the weld.
A second suggestion would be to fab a new plunger bar.
Good Luck and have fun with it.
That is what the Daisy's are all about, FUN
Rick Cates

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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:15pm
Thanks rick.  I positioned the stock and trigger on top of receiver , aligned with the rivet holes..
so this is somewhat how the parts line up.






I think this is the placement of the trigger spring you refer to.  Is this correct?

Also..  is the plunger installed (with the part I show broken) pointing down from the top of receiver??
thanks again ,
Rick



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Posted By: undertaker
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:18pm
Rick, your spring position is correct. Yes..the L on the plunger should be pointing down. The hook on the end of the lever hooks behind it to cock the gun.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 1:51pm
Heck of a good job sorting this one out, guys- this is a great forum!


Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: January-15-2022 at 11:34pm
Ditto Mark on all points.  Thankyou all for your inputs, information, and suggestions. Do not know of anywhere better one could go to get help on a 100+ year old Daisy gun.   !!!
Replacing the spring should be pretty easy, but figuring out repair on plunger bar seems tuff.  
Can't do anything at the moment physically but will tackle this at a later date.  lSurgery on 25th/
Regards// Rick



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Posted By: oldwizzer
Date Posted: January-18-2022 at 5:42pm
Rick, very interesting project, there's a number of members on this forum who are very knowledgeable and good at solving problems. Good luck with your surgery .

Ejwills.


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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: February-04-2022 at 6:34pm
Rick, were you able to make a good repair on the plunger?

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Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: February-04-2022 at 11:03pm
russ thanks for checking.. no only at 30 percent of hand usage.  will be months before i can think of tackling it i am afraid.  Disapprove

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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: February-05-2022 at 4:58pm
When you do, I was wondering what the length of the plunger is, the length of the spring and the inside diameter of the spring.    

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