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Topic: Model 99 variations
Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Subject: Model 99 variations
Date Posted: September-13-2022 at 10:03am
Is there a guide or some booklet that details of variations of the model 99 during its production?



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Posted By: Oldgeorge
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 1:35am
Originally posted by Mod1894/99# Mod1894/99# wrote:

Is there a guide or some booklet that details of variations of the model 99 during its production?
check with Daisy Museum I believe they have what they call a buyer's guide and it tells you what year the gun was made from when to when it goes a whole list of all the different daisies that they've produced pistols and rifles my check that out oldgeorge


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 5:18am
Brief rundown:
850 shot gravity fed. 1959
50 shot force fed. 1960 - 1978
Safety added (99B) 1979

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Air-It-Is


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 2:04pm
Thanks, I have what appears to be 5 variations. The post below yours has the info from the guidebook. Interestingly, it does not include the 1967 produced 99 Champion.
Mod1994/99#


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 2:04pm
Thanks see my previous response.


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 2:07pm
I saw a 99 for sale and it was referred to as "Variation" 3. As I have indicated, I believe I have 5 different models. Anybody have any ideas.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-14-2022 at 10:59pm
The first thing I would want to know is, whose idea of the model 99 variations is the seller using, and where can it be seen?

It's my opinion that "variations" are subjective at best. What constitutes a variation to one might not to another. Especially without a description of the individual variations. 

For example, do you count the Quick Kill guns as a variation? The Quick Skill's as another? Lucky McDaniel's as another? 

What about the first model 99s that had a gravity feed shot tube- it it a separate variation from the exact same gun that came with a spring loaded shot tube? Are the two different rear sight mounts separate variations? Are Heddon/Victor Comptometer-stamped guns a variation?

Then there's straight stock models versus monte carlo-style stocks. Then there are coil spring trigger return springs vs. leaf trigger return spring triggers, as well as thin trigger blade models that came before the thicker trigger blades- are they, too, "variations"? Then what about Champion models, or guns having inlaid stocks with "Official Shooting Education BB Gun By Daisy", or guns with a "US Junior C of C Official Model" stock sticker? 


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-15-2022 at 10:38am
Yes, variations become very subjective, It may be more in the line of different "issues" such as the Champion 99, only produced in 1967. The stock configuration, front and rear sights, and shot tube seem to be the main characteristics that may be used for comparing. I have yet to see a 99B with the safety. The stamping may be another area.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-15-2022 at 12:12pm
I'm not sure where you're information came from, but I can offer the following for you to research. I am not arguing, I am relaying what I have found and nothing more.

The Model 99 "Champion" guns marked in silkscreen were made over a much longer period than a single year. I have documented a 99 Champion with Lot No. J706838, meaning it was stamped Sept. 1977.

All "B" guns (1938B, 105B, 95B, 99B, 111B, etc.) have safeties. I own a 99B and I can attest it has a safety, too. It's also marked with "Champion" on the side of the receiver. It was stamped May 1979.


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-15-2022 at 6:54pm
Thanks, that's good information. I have seen the year 1967 as the only issue year in several places, which were for sale listings on several sites. It could be that someone stated it and it has proliferated through the internet. I have only been interested in the 09 since May, so I am a novice and appreciate any and all impute.


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-15-2022 at 6:54pm
***interested in the 99


Posted By: demicrat78
Date Posted: September-16-2022 at 12:18pm
this is useful information


Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-17-2022 at 12:28am
I hope to see more people respond, to get a firm outline of the Model 99 issues.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-17-2022 at 9:11am

SERVICE MANUAL  https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/grantthekiwisairgunforum/dave-albert-daisy-resource-t3831-s30.html#p9495" rel="nofollow - - https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/grantthekiwisairgunforum/dave-albert-daisy-resource-t3831-s30.html#p9495

The first recorded stamping of a Reg. No. on a 99 is M135899 on 4/20/1959.  Since the 99 was first made in 1959 and all guns made after 1952 had Reg. No.s, those guns stamped on 4/20/1959 were the first ones made.

REG NO. M393831:






Posted By: Mod1894/99#
Date Posted: September-17-2022 at 10:45pm
Excellent, thanks for the post. I would post some pics, do you post them onto the reply?


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-18-2022 at 11:58am
Folks seem to have trouble using the forum's photo attachment feature. I use imjur as a "host" then copy/paste the photo link from there. Other photo hosting sites work similarly. There's also a thread about posting photos, click here:  http://forum.daisymuseum.com/posting-photos_topic7540.html?FID=2&PR=3" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-18-2022 at 12:19pm
This model 99 was made during the Heddon/Victor Comptometer era (stamped Sept. 1975). One giveaway is the sticker on the lever flange. Guns having the sticker typically were made in the early to mid-'70s. Even when the sticker is missing, often the adhesive will remain as a witness mark of the sticker. The receiver stamping isn't easy to read, but it says "Division VICTOR COMPTOMETER CORPORATION". 




Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-18-2022 at 12:33pm
During the Heddon/Victor era, a lot of changes were afoot. This is a model 99 Champion made about May 1976. It uses a 'transitional' shot tube that bridged the early style shot tube to the one we use today. The modern model 25 spring loaded shot tube we use today is one instance where newer is definitely better. 

Unfortunately, the model 99B uses the same non removable gravity feed shot tube as the model 1938B Red Ryder. It would have been better had they opted to use the spring loaded shot tube.









Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-18-2022 at 1:14pm
A few model 99 stock examples. There were also monte carlo style stocks used without the inletting for a medallion like shown at the bottom. 






Posted By: Bob1774
Date Posted: September-19-2022 at 10:37pm
As Cobalt357 pointed out, there are lots of variations.  I have a gravity feed 99 "bottle cap", with the JC sticker on the stock.  Not sure if Daisy used up some old stamped guns for the new JC program in '59-60 while the litigation over the gravity feed was under way and did not offer them for retail sale?




Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-20-2022 at 11:48am
Here's some info on wide frame Daisys made for instinct shooting. I originally posted this at The High Road forum. The most common model was the 95 but the 99 was also used.

The first gun is the first or possibly second iteration of the Daisy used for the Quick Kill program. There was also a version based on a Daisy mounted in an M14 stock. But the most common was built on the "wide frame" model 95 Daisy.



One of the civilian versions was called the "Quick Skill". They were based on the 95 and 99, but the 95 was more common. As the photos show, these sight-less 95s had the furniture like the model 96 and they looked more like a 96 than anything. Makes me wonder why they didn't just use the 96 to begin with.



This is built on a 99:

There was also another instinct shooting Daisy, this one was built on an early model 99. It was branded/ endorsed by Lucky McDaniel. Came with a BB shot tube (gravity fed, not spring loaded) and a cork ball barrel.

This one was a later model 99, it uses the stamped steel trigger instead of the modular model 99 trigger we have come to expect to see on a 99.

Another Lucky model 99, this one in bronze. Again, gravity fed:





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