Number 102 model 36
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Topic: Number 102 model 36
Posted By: Airitis
Subject: Number 102 model 36
Date Posted: May-07-2023 at 5:59pm
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So, I acquired a number 102 model 36 receiver. It's a Rodgers gun. Painted blue metallic. Removable shot tube. Does anyone know what stock, trigger and cocking lever this one is supposed to have? I'm guessing an aluminum lever and folded steel one piece trigger but not sure about the stock. Any ideas🥴 ------------- Air-It-Is |
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Posted By: MarvMar
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 8:36am
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Russ, Shane just posted a short video on that model. ------------- Marv, NW OH |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-08-2023 at 2:33pm
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Hmmm. Sorry Marv. I don't see his posting yet. I'll keep an eye out though. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 1:54pm
Marv, the one Shane showed is a black painted one with a homemade stock. Mine is, according to the Daisy Museum, a 1961 with Airforce blue paint. So far I don't have a definite ID on what the stock should be. Still hoping for some feedback here.  ------------- Air-It-Is |
MarvMar wrote:Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 7:47pm
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It would have been plastic. But I'm guessing you're more looking for whether it had a brown or white stock. I've never seen a 102-36 with anything but a brown stock- but that doesn't mean there wasn't ever a 102-36 made with a white stock. The lever would have been an aluminum "3 star" type. Probably painted black, but there again- I can't say there was never a blue metallic 102-36 made with a different color lever, or even an unpainted one.
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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-09-2023 at 8:02pm
The Daisy collectors guide lists the 102-36 as having a wooden stock but as we all are aware nuttin is written in stone. No mention of Airforce blue paint there. It was suggested that this could have been a contract piece for a specific retailer. 🤔 I've seen pop guns with blue paint and white stock. Supposedly this may have been a holdover color from earlier rifles with the blue paint but it's hard to get confirmation on any possibilities. I've searched the internet but so far no pictures have arisen like this one. I just love a good mystery!  ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: May-10-2023 at 4:17pm
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only metallic blue BB rifle i know of WAS THE 110 AIR FORCE ROCKET. I am sure this is not the one you have (has under barrel) , but all internal parts are the same as the 102. do not know what info is stamped on the gun to identify it, but would bet it is not 102-36.. I have a 177 pistol painted in metallic blue and love that finish, see daisy AD below. says lever also painted blue...  ------------- Aim Straight |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-10-2023 at 6:17pm
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Right. Mine has no fake magazine tube so no place to screw a forearm. Also, no stars on the lever cover. Thanks for bringing yet another blue gun to everyone's attention. There seems to be more of them than most folks know. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-11-2023 at 12:29pm
| Per Joe Murfin, '54 and newer had plastic. By the way, what is the Reg/Lot No.? |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-11-2023 at 3:57pm
Plastic stock seems probable since Joe's associate dated the gun as February 16, 1961. Register number is G 896447. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-12-2023 at 10:46am
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Thanks, I'll add that to the database.
For what it's worth, when I asked Joe when the 102-36 became just the 102, he said he wasn't sure. Apparently the production records didn't delineate the change. So going by date requests he received where the owner stated that the gun was a 102-36, he matched the REG. NO.s to dates as late as "from 1967 and 1968". These are all the dates I have on the 102-36. If anyone has any they'd like to add, I'd appreciate it! 102-36 REG. NO. A263387, Ply. no oil hole, stamped 11-11-1954 102-36 REG. NO. A968379, Ply. no oil hole, (thanks to Rick Cates @ DT) 102-36 REG. NO.s C722328 to C723828 stamped 9-3-57 102-36 REG. NO. D041985, Ply. w/oil hole, stamped 1st
quarter of 1958 102-36 REG. NO. D132426 Ply. bronze w/gold
lever, stamped 3-18-58 102-36 REG. NO. D272908 Rogers, bronze w/gold lever, stamped 11-11-58 102-36 REG. NO. G896447 (thanks to airitis @ DT), stamped
2-16-61 102-36 REG. NO.s I210480 to I217125, stamped 9-27-64 102-36 REG. NO. J546969, stamped 4-6-67 Edited to add: This is what Joe wrote about the Model 102 in 12-10-21... "The 102 has a long history in the Daisy product line. The No. 102 was first made from 1933 to 1935 as the No. 102, Model 33. It was a
500-shot gun with wood stock and nickel finish. "In 1936 it became the No. 102 Model 36 and maintained the nickel finish until
1942. It was nickel plated from 1936 to 1942. In 1942, when the use of nickel
was prohibited (due to WWII), the gun was made with a blued finish. Production
of the blued gun resumed after WWII, from 1945 to 1958 in Plymouth (then from
1958 to 1978 in Rogers, AR.) |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-12-2023 at 5:44pm
Good compilation Mark. And a nod to Joe also. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 8:24pm
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I was in an Antique Mall today with the wife and came across a very nice No 102 Model 36. No rust and very little wear. Plymouth Mich. No oil hole. Register No A968379 Plastic stock without any bowing or curvature. I am its new owner. Just thought I would share how it has the plastic stock and its register number which I am sure it came that way from Daisy. Rick Cates Canyon, TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-13-2023 at 8:54pm
| Thanks Rick, I added it to the list above. Great find- an early one for sure! |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 10:13am
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I do have another 102 36 in my collection from Plymouth with no oil hole. Register NoA372830 It is about the same shape as my new purchase except the stock does have a slight bow. If you are interested in logging the Rogers 102 36 models in the data base I have few of those also. I mostly collect the Plymouth Daisy’s, however I just can not pass on any old Daisy if it is in nice shape. Just let me know and I can post the Rogers info here. Rick Cates Canyon TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 11:08am
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Yes, please do include the Rogers info, and thanks! It should be possible to pin down the changeover from 102-36 to 102 closer than 1968. The latest 102-36 I have documented is REG. NO. J546969 stamped 4-6-67. The earliest 102 I have documented (going my the letter prefix) is REG. NO. K281736, and is stamped Heddon/Victor Comptometer Corp. I'll ask Joe for the date on it to get a start on this..... It may turn out that there were 102s and 102-36s being made at the same time... |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 12:29pm
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I will work on the Rogers info later today. I also have a number of older 102 36 models with nickel and blue models. If you want to log the older models I can also gather that info. Thanks Rick Cates Canyon TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 1:13pm
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Rogers models 102 and 102 36 info. All have oil holes. 102 36. Register No J360965. Wood Stock with clear coat 102. Register No None shown. Painted metal and plastic stock 102. Daisy Heddon. Rogers Arkansas Division Victor Comptometer Corporation Pat. No. 2.758.586 Register No. K685781 Wood Stock clear coat 102 36. Daisy Rogers Arkansas Register No I898638. Wood painted brown stock look’s original Still has Daisy sticker on the barrel All the other 102 and 102 36 models are Plymouth models. Hope this helps with the research. Rick Cates Canyon TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 2:35pm
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Wow Rick, that's quite a group, spanning Plymouth and Rodgers. I wish I could identify at least one more 102-36 with the Air Force blue paint and hopefully some indication of the type of stock it was paired with. Starting to think this may have been a one off. 🤔 Maybe a bored Daisy worker taking liberty with his/her lunch break. Now THAT really would be interesting! ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 3:48pm
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Rick, thank you for the info. I'll collate it into the database this evening. So in the meantime, I have documented two guns that have Reg. No.s that are fairly close, the earlier gun being a No. 102 Model 36 and the other a Model 102. I got with Joe for the dates. The results are below:
No. 102 Model 36 with Register No. K169608 was stamped on 6-24-68 Model 102 with Reg. No. K281736 was stamped on 8-29-68. I'll update this as new info becomes available. It's interesting that the 102-36 is stamped with Daisy, the 102 is stamped with Daisy Victor/Comptometer Corp. |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 6:30pm
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Mark, just so you don't think I've been holding back: I finally had a chance to sort through some of the stash and found a few you might be able to enter into the base. All Rodgers guns. All with black paint. 102-36 REGISTER NO. F679296 Plastic stock 102-36 REGISTER NO. K486102 Plastic stock 102 LOT NO. J509933 Plastic stock 102 (Not designated as Reg or Lot) No. L219695 Wood stock HEDDON VICTOR COMPTOMETER 102 REG. NO. L223201 Wood stock HEDDON VICTOR COMPTOMETER 102 REG. NO. L279287 Wood stock I also have a couple model 101 Plymouth guns but I think that takes us into a different category. I hope this helps with the database. Russ. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-14-2023 at 6:38pm
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I found one more. 102-36 REGISTER NO. C 070113 Plastic stock. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: May-15-2023 at 11:04am
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Mark, Understanding that there were changes in stocks, levers, and the change from leather to rubber, what, if any, difference is there between the 102 and the 102-36 ? I only have 2 of these, both are 102’s (not-36), both are from Rogers. I’m including info just incase it’s of any use to you. One is marked Daisy Heddon Victor Comptometer Reg. M140953 on top of receiver plastic stock The other is just marked Daisy Lot F800090 under barrel wood stock |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-15-2023 at 6:52pm
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As far as I know, the Rogers guns were all about the same internally. Through the years Daisy spring specs differed some as far as the exact number of coils, lengths and wire diameters but not by much and the spring rates were all very close. I don't know if Daisy ever manufactured springs but if they contracted for them that could explain the slight differences because there's more than one way to make a spring with a 14 lb-in rate for instance.
Getting back into the Plymouth days, there were more internal differences- they shot harder, and had decidedly stronger springs. Back before they were stamping them with Reg. No.s they had a strong spring and leather seals, One gun that was shown at The High Road thread used a spacer and a short, stiff spring. I don't know if that was how it came from the factory, though. I'll post it below. It came from a nickeled 102-36 w/o numbers:  |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-15-2023 at 8:24pm
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Just a fine point to notice. Some were stamped "LOT NO." Some "REG NO." And some "REGISTER NO." I don't know which years involved these but I noticed this on the Rodgers guns. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: May-15-2023 at 10:07pm
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Interesting ! The first thing i noticed was the low-pivot lever, was the 102-36 produced in both the low and high pivot types ? Also, that spring looks suspiciously similar to an old model 25…I wonder if there’s any chance. Anyway, thanks for posting the pic. These older models are extremely rare in this part of the country and it’s cool to see stuff I’ll probably never see in person ! |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-16-2023 at 8:42am
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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-16-2023 at 11:51am
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Aaaand, I found TWO more! Low pivot Plymouth gun. Number102 model 36 I believe variation 5 from 1953 REGISTER NO. 214767 Wood stock RODGERS GUN. High pivot Model 102 REG. NO. L431020 Wood stock I think that is all I own.....so far. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-17-2023 at 2:40am
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