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Topic: Need advice on reinstallation of abutment washer
Posted By: Bryno
Subject: Need advice on reinstallation of abutment washer
Date Posted: August-24-2023 at 10:25pm
So it looks like the abutment washer came out with the abutment seal on my dad's 103. Great. Before I get started I thought I'd see if anybody had any advice. It appears as though the washer is fine and I'm pretty sure I can see the staking tabs in the compression chamber. Beyond that Clueless.



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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: August-24-2023 at 10:44pm
I've successfully used a thin application of E6000. This has gotten me out of a jam several times. But putting credit where it is due, Cobalt 327 suggested this adhesive to me a long time ago.   Just make sure both surfaces are clean of lubricant. I use alcohol to accomplish the task.

Russ

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 6:56am
Removed- wrong subject.


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 7:36am
Thanks guys but I'm pretty sure we're talking about two different problems. The metal abutment actually came out of the gun along with the Rubber abutment seal.


Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 10:12am
Just in case you’re not already aware of this, Shane (Restomod Daisy) has done a couple of videos on these abutment washers (the most recent being Feb. 4 of this year) good info, well worth checking out.
Good luck !


Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 11:02am
In re-watching the video, I see he didn’t show reinstallation.
Using the shot tube for placement/alignment is the best way.
To bend the tabs, I’ve used a piece of pipe cut at a 45 degree angle to (gently!) force the tabs away from the tube wall and start the bend, after this a flat-ended rod and some careful hammer work finishes bending the tabs against the washer.
Good luck !


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by Bryno Bryno wrote:

Thanks guys but I'm pretty sure we're talking about two different problems. The metal abutment actually came out of the gun along with the Rubber abutment seal.

Sorry. I misunderstood. My bad.

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Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: August-25-2023 at 4:36pm
Yeah I'm glad you pointed me to that video. That would have been pretty funny to try to glue my abutment washer back in there. Haha. I'll let you know how it goes. Appreciate you guys.


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: August-27-2023 at 8:41am
All right just to follow up 3 hours of frustration later. I was able to reinstall the abutment washer. Pretty similar process to what Mr Bruce shows in his video. Interesting note pretty sure this gun was manufactured wrong in the first place. The tabs on the compression chamber to hold the abutment washer in place are nowhere near at 3:00 and 9:00. So my guess is they were never been over but I'm still performing my forensic analysis. Anyway gun shoots dead straight and hard. Appreciate the community spirit.


Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: August-27-2023 at 9:21am
Good deal !
Never seen one with tabs in the wrong place before, but apparently non-bent tabs did happen from time-to-time.
I had a 102 with the seal stuck to the plunger head, when I pulled the shot tube the abutment washer almost fell out.
Whenever I work on one of these, I always inspect the tabs now.
Glad you got it fixed !


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: August-27-2023 at 10:10am
Glad to hear that the tabs were still there even if not at 3 and 9. Good work and keep us posted on the forensics!
Russ.

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Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-08-2023 at 9:42pm


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-09-2023 at 8:33pm


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 1:52pm


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 2:01pm
Still trying to figure out this picture thing but I wanted to finish up this post. Again the point was to show that some of the daisy guns like the one in question appear to have been mismanufactured. Causing the staking tabs for the abutment washer to never be folded over subsequently allowing the equipment washer to fall out during seal replacement. You can see that the tabs are definitely not at 3:00 and 9:00 and the plunger head shows signs of having been rubbing on one tab for the duration of his life.


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 2:04pm


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 2:36pm
Nice detective work there, B. On to another project?
Russ.

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Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 3:03pm
Well thanks Russ. And of course there's a few in the pipe. Meanwhile this one isn't actually done. I have a daisy dollar token that I just polished up and I intend to inlay it in the stock and then laser engrave around it. When I get done I will post a photo. I hope.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 3:38pm
Bryan, good job on the photos- were you able to use the share link at imgur?


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-10-2023 at 4:22pm
Yes sir. Thanks Mark. I sent you an email I'm sure you'll see it with the details. It's a little different using your cell phone it's kind of an app if anybody else gets stuck let me know.....the IT guys will clearly trying to justify their position when they built this stuff.


Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-16-2023 at 10:35pm
Well as promised here's the finished product my dad's 103. Thank you guys very much for all your help I'm sure he's going to love it.





Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-16-2023 at 10:36pm
Well as promised here's the finished product my dad's 103. Thank you guys very much for all your help I'm sure he's going to love it.








Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-17-2023 at 5:47am
It turned out fantastic- the woodworking, engraving and insetting is professional quality all the way!


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-17-2023 at 2:17pm
I love the way the engraving encircles the coin. Even the washers backing up the bolt heads add something to the looks. He'll be proud of both, it and you. Great job.
Russ

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Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-17-2023 at 3:44pm
Well thanks guys this is pretty fun stuff kind of contagious too. I have to give credit where it's due a good friend of mine whose name is also Bryan is the master engraver. And he's also gotten pretty good at making some of his own guns too check out these pics...







Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-17-2023 at 6:54pm
LOVE THE CHICKEN!! The flamin' 95 is super cool too 😎
Don't worry about it being contagious. BTW. There's no cure. Just treatment. 😆
Russ

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-19-2023 at 6:43am
The forearm on the 95 is really cool:



Posted By: Bryno
Date Posted: September-19-2023 at 5:59pm
Thanks Mark I passed that along to him that's High Praise considering the source. Now how come I don't see any guns from you guys on here I know you guys got some awesome stuff and I know we all love to see it.


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-19-2023 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by Bryno Bryno wrote:

Thanks Mark I passed that along to him that's High Praise considering the source. Now how come I don't see any guns from you guys on here I know you guys got some awesome stuff and I know we all love to see it.

Well, two reasons why you seldom see anything I work on here on Daisy Talk.
1. I still can't get the hang of posting pictures here.

2. I often use my projects as features for my YouTube channel, Daisy lever gun fun.   

I really love seeing stuff from folks like you and hope they keep on a' comin'.

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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: September-19-2023 at 7:49pm
It might be that someone had taken down the airgun before your attempt.

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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: September-19-2023 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by willielumplump willielumplump wrote:

It might be that someone had taken down the airgun before your attempt.

Well, I think I'm just techno-challenged.

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Posted By: teerex.otw
Date Posted: September-20-2023 at 10:31am
Great work on all of the stocks !
I’ll side with Russ, I really love that chicken (although at first glance, I thought it was the Roadrunner…old eyes I guess).
The flames and finger grooves on the 95b are pretty cool too. I had ofter considered inletting a m.l. style patchbox in one, but hadn’t thought about cutting a design clear through.
One of a kind for sure.
Good stuff !



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