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Topic: Intro and question on 2202 magazine
Posted By: theoldsarge
Subject: Intro and question on 2202 magazine
Date Posted: May-06-2012 at 11:46pm
Hi guys.  New here, and didn't see anywhere to introduce myself.  Retired Army, now 71, and been around guns all my life. 
 
May have a guy that will deal with me for a Daisy 2202 rifle, complete.  Never even knew Daisy had made any rifles except the .22 caseless, and regular air guns.  So want this one. 
 
It has a rotary magazine, but would like at least one extra.  Problem is finding one, then the problem is the price.  But seems like people are constantly talking about how the mazine was/is so similar to the Ruger 10/22 - however, I have never even seen one comment that anyone had actually tried using a 10/22 magazine in a Daisy.  Supposedly the Daisy magazine was copied from the Ruger.  So I'm thinking either one would work, or one could be modified to work. 
 
Anyone got any concrete info on this?  Thanks.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax



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Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: May-07-2012 at 11:42am
Hello and welcome oldsarge.
  My thoughts on the Ruger mag. being converted to fit the Daisy are that if it could be done someone would have done it by now. I haven't seen one yet. You are correct that the Daisy mags are hard to find and when found are expensive. I may be able to help you out with a Daisy mag. My E-mail is on my profile. Send me a note and I'll return my phone # so we can talk. 


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: May-08-2012 at 9:49pm
Thanks.  I'll try to get up with you in a day or two. 
 
I've been doing a lot of searching on this, and all I get are the comments.  I feel sure someone, somewhere, sometime, has tried a Ruger magazine, but so far not got anyone to admit to it.  I know for a fact than if I can get a Ruger magazine, at a small enough price, I'm going to see what it will do.  Oh yes, I will be getting that rifle in about a week.  Tongue


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: May-13-2012 at 2:49am
Wetdog, thanks but I won't be e-mailing you.  Turns out I just got a second 2202 Daisy, complete with magazine, for $40.  So I should be fine with two magazines.  Appreciate it, but maybe you can pass it along to someone that needs it more than me.  If I can get ahold of a low-priced 10/22 magazine, then get it to work in a 2202, I'll let you all know.

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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: May-13-2012 at 3:04pm
OK oldsarge. Great find on the second 2202. I'll be looking to see if you get the 10/22 mag to fit. Hope all goes well.


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: May-16-2012 at 11:31pm
Picked up one 2202 on Mon, and the other today.  The one on Mon is missing the rear sight, and the butt plate.  Cost, $40, some time, and 2-3 gallons of gas.
The one today is missing the trigger group detente pin, spring, and clip; have a lead where I can get all three.  Then just have to figure how to put them in, probably just take the buttstock off, no biggie.  Cost, $39, $30 shipping - which included a very nice hard case that wasn't mentioned before, and $20 for my FFL guy.  $89 in hand.  So total for the two, $129, in hand, plus the gas.  You just have to have patience, and keep looking.   
Both have magazines, and the actions/bolts just as they are supposed to.  Oh yes, both in very nice condition, with the exception of a bit of paint off here and there, I'm thinking the best repair for that is a black magic marker.  I'll be trying that as soon as I find my marker.  Strange, both stocks are plastic, but one is woodish colored, and the other is black. 
 
My son gave me a lead on some Ruger magazines, for around $4-5 each.  I hope to have one in a few days, then I'll see if I can get it to fit - and work.  Will keep you advised.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: May-17-2012 at 4:42pm
The rear sight and buttplate will be hard to find. There are 3 parts to the buttplate. The buttplate itself which is adjustable, the release button and the spring.
  The 2202 was made in 3 versions of which you have 2. The brown and black plastic stock with adjustable buttplate and a wood stock , non adjustable. The wood stock model is called 2212, although it is marked 2202 on the receiver.
   There were also a single shot bolt action (2201) and a semi-auto (2203) made.
   


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: May-25-2012 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by wetdog wetdog wrote:

The rear sight and buttplate will be hard to find. There are 3 parts to the buttplate. The buttplate itself which is adjustable, the release button and the spring.
  The 2202 was made in 3 versions of which you have 2. The brown and black plastic stock with adjustable buttplate and a wood stock , non adjustable. The wood stock model is called 2212, although it is marked 2202 on the receiver.
   There were also a single shot bolt action (2201) and a semi-auto (2203) made.
 
Man, that sucks.  Had a complete reply, then punched the wrong button and it all went poof; now have to start over.  Bah.  Humbug.  Cry
 
Rear sight, and buttplate, no prob.  Will keep an eye out for a sight that will fit, Daisy or not, but will probably scope it.  Buttplate, no prob because I like the trigger pull length as is, so will probably just make a leather lace on boot for it.  Got the trigger group detant pin, detant clip, and spring, today, for $10.25 in hand; which is vastly paying for the clip and spring, but they are made for it, so that takes a load of worrying about finding those those to fit, so well worth the cost.
 
No, both of mine have the adjustable buttplates, and both are plastic stocks.  The one was listed as having a wood stock, but it's only woodgrained plastic.  So both are 2202 models.  Hey, at $139 for the two, including a very nice hard case with the parts rifle that wasn't previously mentioned, I'm happy.  I could probably even sell one and make a $ or 2, undecided about that tho.  They're both in good condition, and the actions are nice and smooth, in fact, smoother then a number of brand new guns I've looked at.
 
Still looking for a low priced 10/22 magazine.  My son led me to some for $4-5 each, but they were on-line, and postage would have priced them at way more than I wanted to pay for something I might ruin.  There are some new gunshops in my area now, so I'll try to stop in to one or two soon. 
 
Yeah, I've been looking, and if I can find one at $100, or less, in-hand, I may get one, otherwise I'll pass. 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: May-26-2012 at 10:06am

Good to hear things are going well with the 2202's. I think they are really good rifles. Good find on the parts that you found,too.

 I took one of my Daisy mags to a gun shop on Thurs.to compare it to the 10/22 mag. What I noticed was the 10/22 was a good 1/8 inch longer than the Daisy, plus a protrusion out of the back in the center(possibly the assembly screw). The 10/22 mag. has a metal insert on top that has the feed lips which will outlast the Daisy mag.The follower also looks stronger. They didn't have a rifle there so I wasn't able to see how the 10/22 mag locked in.But after seeing an indentation on the back of the 10/22 mag.it seemed to me to present another setback. I'm looking forward to see how you make out. By the way, the price on the 10/22 mag was $17.95 new in factory packaging.


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: June-10-2012 at 12:38pm
Found this on GunBroker.  Apparently a complete Daisy 2203, with magazine, less stock.  Project gun.  I'm not into project guns anymore, so passing this along.  At the starting price, with no bids, yet, you'd pay about that much for just a magazine.  http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=290071642" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=290071642   I was very, very, tempted to bid, but decided to pass. 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: June-10-2012 at 2:58pm
Good idea to pass on the 2203 semi-auto. They were known to have a part break and go full auto. Back when they were introduced Daisy would repair them. Those days are long gone as parts are no longer available from Daisy. I don't know how to tell if one has been repaired.


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: July-11-2012 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by wetdog wetdog wrote:

Good idea to pass on the 2203 semi-auto. They were known to have a part break and go full auto. Back when they were introduced Daisy would repair them. Those days are long gone as parts are no longer available from Daisy. I don't know how to tell if one has been repaired.
 
I read on another site that the problem was the sear breaking.  Supposedly simply replacing the sear solved the problem. 
 
A minor update.  Have a 2211 on the way.  And a 2212.  Both the wooden stock models, which I much prefer over plastic.  One needs a complete FCG, which is no problem, because I have all the parts to put one together on the way also.  Oh yes, the 2201/2211 and 2202/2212 trigger groups are identical - per the Daisy manual.   And a sight is missing.  What is people with removing sights?   I'll be keeping the two wood stocked ones, and passing along the other two.
 
However, the one is still missing the FCG detante parts.  I have the parts, but the butt plate button will not unscrew, like the manual say it should.  Anyone have any ideas on that?
 
I finally got an Eagle 10-round aftermarket 10/22 magazine, and a real Ruger 10/22 magazine should be arriving tomorrow.  The Eagle is 'close' to fitting, but I'll have to take some off the sides, and both ends.  I suspect the same for the Ruger magazine.  I will be taking pictures (if my stupid camera will give me pictures that are all in focus, instead of one out of a batch), and if successful in getting one or both to work, will post a thread on how I do it.  If not successful, I'll just say so and leave it at that.
 
Nuke
 
 
 
 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: July-13-2012 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by theoldsarge theoldsarge wrote:

However, the one is still missing the FCG detante parts.  I have the parts, but the butt plate button will not unscrew, like the manual say it should.  Anyone have any ideas on that?
 
I finally got an Eagle 10-round aftermarket 10/22 magazine, and a real Ruger 10/22 magazine should be arriving tomorrow.  The Eagle is 'close' to fitting, but I'll have to take some off the sides, and both ends.  I suspect the same for the Ruger magazine.  I will be taking pictures (if my stupid camera will give me pictures that are all in focus, instead of one out of a batch), and if successful in getting one or both to work, will post a thread on how I do it.  If not successful, I'll just say so and leave it at that.
 
Nuke
 
Update.  Got the buttplate button out.  The Daisy manual only says to turn it, but not to take it out unless absolutely necessary, as it will damage.  They left out the important parts.  Finally found info on doing it. 
Pull out the buttplate 1/4" (measure it, don't eyeball it).  Then I took a quarter, pressed, and turned.  The button turned with almost no effort, then popped right out.  Do it that way, and no damage.  Pull the entire buttplate assembly out, shine a light in, and you can see the Philips head on the stock screw.  Unscrewed that, and unscrewed, and unscrewed, but stock NOT coming off.  That's when I notice the bolt handle down in the groove in the stock.  Lifted that up, and the stock slid right off.
However, now I am still searching for the envelope holding the detante parts, the one that I put in a safe place, where I could easily find it again.  But once I do find it, I anticipate no problems putting them in.  Insert the spring, slide in the detante pin from the top, hold the spring down (probably with a popsicle stick, with a notch cut in the end, use small needle nosed pliers to put the C-clip in place on the pin, and done.  Then just a matter of putting the stock back on, and the buttplate and button the opposite way they were taken off.  Piece of cake.
 
Picked up the 2212 yesterday.  Nice.  The stock wood is very good, but the finish needs to be gone over.  Finish on the action is much better than on the others I have.  It has a Williams sight on it, half a sight that is, someone just had to bugger that up. 
 
Got my Ruger 10/22 magazine also.  Just preliminary checks so far, but I don't hold out near as much hope on it fitting as I do the Eagle, but one never knows.  I'll be doing work on one, or both, over the next week, as I get time to waste.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: July-14-2012 at 11:24am
My opinion on the missing rear sights is scope mounting. When I put a scope on one of mine it was real close to the front of the scope, so I removed the sight.


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: July-25-2012 at 10:47pm
OK, finally tracked down my detente parts.  They were in an envelope, in an envelope, so they'd be safe - and easy to find.  Safe, yes; easy to find, not so much.  Big smile
 
Not so easy as it would seem, putting them in.  The spring goes on the detent pin, then the pin is inserted, which compresses the spring.  Then the clip needs to go in the groove in the pin.  That's one of the smallest C clips I've ever seen.  Let's just say it's a very good thing I have a magnet on the end of a extendable rod, as I lost the spring twice I think, and the clip too.  Finally gave up, and decided to think on it.  Then I had an inspiration.
 
Next day.  Took the bolt out, was able to slide the detente pin in deeper, better exposing the groove for the clip.  The inspiration was, put the C clip in place on the groove, and hold it with some white lithium grease; had to use tweezers.  OK, good.  Then push the clip in place with the nose of needle nose pliers.  It was just that simple, worked the first try; I was actually surprised, thought it would take a few runs.  Then it was just a matter of screwing the stock back on, inserting the butt plate - measuring 1/4" - then the screw and spring, no effort or problem, then just insert the bolt and trigger group. 
 
I have got to make some sanding blocks, but keep forgetting to do it when I'm in my shop.  I will need them to work on the Eagle magazine.  It's the one that seems to have the most likelyhood of being converted; if I get that one working, then I'll consider trying converting the Ruger magazine.  The instructions for removing a Daisy magazine are to open the bolt, push the magazine release, then push the magazine out with your finger from above.  I'm thinking if a Ruger magazine can be made to work, the same drill will have to be followed - which I'm not thrilled with.  The Eagle is longer, and if I can get it to work, should be pretty easy to just pull it out.  I'll try to make some sanding blocks tomorrow; I'll keep you advised.  Life is basically good.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: Jangle
Date Posted: July-26-2012 at 10:02pm
So I have a 2202 also from my childhood, but I also am without magazines for it.  My son was shooting it one round at a time, so interested to know which magazine worked best with the conversion...


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-02-2012 at 10:24pm
Small upgrade.  Got my FCG parts, and two missing.  They were supposed to be mailed out this last Monday, and once I get them I'll put them together and see how things go.  No safety. 
 
Started on modifying the Eagle magazine.  Been taking pictures, for a build thread if this actually works.  Camera will not take an in focus picture.  Tried again today and got what looks like some better pictures, except now the camera and computer are not talking, so the pictures are not downloading.  Bah, humbug.  So any eventual build thread may be severly lacking in pictures.  So, far it still seems like the Eagle magazine will fit in, after some work, then it just remains to see if it works.  I'll keep you all advised.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-09-2012 at 1:36am
Interesting.  Got my FCG put together, piece of cake - with the pictures I had.  BUT, it will not fit in my 2212.  I always have a bit of trouble putting them in, with with fiddling with the bolt and all, but this simply would not fit.  The detante pin would NOT come up to hold it in.  Tried it on one of my 2202s.  Same thing, no fit.  Finally tried it in my 2211, and finally, it fit.  So took the FCG from that in put it in my 2212, and that one fit there.  Strange.
 
I've been using the Daisy magazine from the 2202 I put the detante pin in to check the measurements on the Eagle magazine I am working on.  Tried to put the Daisy magazine in the 2212.  Won't go in all the way, lacks about 1/8" of going all the way.  Strange.  So, tomorrow I'll probably try the magazine from the other 2202, the one with the goofed up butt plate,  in the 2212 and see how that one fits.  I hope it does, because I really don't want to have to work on a Daisy magazine to try to get it to fit.  If I can get it to work, my plan is to use the Eagle magazine in the 2202 with the butt plate missing. 
 
I've been working pretty steadily on the Eagle Magazine.  Some filing, a lot of sanding.  Front to back dimensions should be good.  The sides, at the top, should be good; but lower still have a fair amount to take off.  Tried it in the magzine well, went in about 1/4", and hung up.  Sanded, same.  Did that several times, then noticed the Daisy had rounded edges.  So, rounded the Eagle edges.  Ah, got it in about half way, no prob.  But the bottom still needs slimming.  Thinking about trying my little bench belt/disc sander on it, that sanding by hand is getting old.  I'd try some pictures, but there is really nothing to see.  More later.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-09-2012 at 11:50pm
Didn't get out in the shop today, so didn't use my belt/disc sander on the Eagle magazine, just sanded by hand with sanding sticks.  Getting there, slow but sure, just hope all the effort pays off in the end.
 
Tried my two Daisy magazines in the 2212.  'Neither' fit.  Both fit nicely in the 2202 with the missing butt plate tho, and I'm taking it for granted it means they will both also fit in the 'good' 2202.  I had been thinking of keeping the 2202 with the missing butt plate for myself, with the Eagle.  That is, if I keep one at all.  The 2211 I am definitely keeping, I have a thing for single shot .22s.  But, as is, the Eagle magazine will have to be used in the 2212, which is OK, because I like wood stocks, so if I keep any of the magazine fed rifles it will be that one; but if I can't get it to work in it, it'll get sold or traded, minus magazine. 
 
Anyone here have any experience with a Daisy rotary magazine not fitting?  The only thing I can figure is that there is something sticking out, out of place, or jamming up, the magazines; but, so far I haven't been able to find it.  Any thoughts?
 
 
 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: wetdog
Date Posted: August-10-2012 at 1:50pm
I just tried one that was original with the gun and it worked fine. Getting it out always needed a push from the top. But when I tried a new spare it was tight the last 1/4 inch going in and alot harder to get out. Seems they need some break in to smooth out.
    Congrats on the progress so far with the mag. Glad to hear about it.
   dwsonye31 is looking for parts if you are going to sell anything.


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-10-2012 at 3:32pm
What is strange is they only will not go into the one gun.  The other two take the magazines fine.  Can't figure that one out.
I believe it says in the Daisy manual, remove the magazine by pushing it out from above.  I know I read it somewhere. 
 
Tried the Eagle magazine earlier today.  It has a 'slide' on the back that I believe is to push it out of a Ruger.  Noticed it was touching the trigger guards, so think 'that's what's keeping it from going in further'.  So filed it.  And it still wouldn't go further.  Going to try to get into the shop later and use the little belt sander.
 
No parts for sale.  I will be getting rid of at least two of the magazine rifles, but they're complete guns.  I'm thinking I'll probably get rid of all three, and just keep the single-shot.  But, if I do keep one, it will be the one with the Eagle magazine, because after this, if I get it working it should be no major problem to modifiy more for it. 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-10-2012 at 9:45pm
Here are the three manuals, for those that don't have them.
http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2201.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2201.pdf
http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2202.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2202.pdf  
http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2203-2213.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_2203-2213.pdf
AND the manual for the lesser known Daisy Model 8.  Bet a buncha you didn't know about this one.
http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_8.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://stevespages.com/pdf/daisy_8.pdf


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Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-11-2012 at 8:34pm
Bleah.  Got in the shop yesterday, and hit the Eagle magzine with the little belt sander; should have tried it for fit more, and hit it less.  Tongue  It does fit.  Not really as tight as I would prefer, seems to rock, but should be acceptable.  I THINK it will feed rounds OK.  THINK it will, because I have some plastic dummy .22 rounds I used to check.  Well, the stupid dummy rounds are apparently just for revolvers, because they are shorter than a long rifle round, and pointy.  Don't feed worth a tinker's damn, and load almost as poorly.  I don't feel comfortable trying live rounds thru it, just in case - HUGE believer in 'just in case'.  No safe direction to point the gun, just in case.  So, need accurate sized dummy rounds.  I don't know how to make .22 dummy rounds, and can't find anyting on-line about doing it.  So, looks like I will have to order some.  I've had those plastic rounds for a little while now, but only glanced at them when I got them, then put them away, large mistake. 
 
OK, looks like a light at the end of the tunnel, and in this case it's daylight, and not a Troll with a flashlight.  May have a viable solution to the lack of magazine problem, but is going to take a bit of time to get dummy rounds to see for sure.   That 2212 looks pretty cool with that Eagle magazine stuck in it.  I would take a picture, but my camera batteries are low, again, so they're recharging - picture later.
 
Now to decide if I will take the belt sander to that Daisy magazine, so it will fit the 2212, or not.  Still not sure why it won't fit. 


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: August-25-2012 at 7:44pm
Very interesting.  Found out why the Daisy magazine is not going into my 2212 all the way.  The bolt is/was not correct.   It suddenly struck me to compare bolts, and the ones the magazine work in are different profiles on the bottom.  Swapped the bolt from one of the 2202s, popped it in the 2212, and the magazxine fit right in.  Glad I didn't go ape with the belt sander on the magazine.  So, now the Eagle will be going in the 2202, the one with the damaged buttplate.  Going to try to swap the good one, complete with rear sight, off.

Tried a couple of alternatives on feeding with the Eagle magazine, but then decided I'd just go ahead and buy some dummy rounds.   Should have them sometime in t he beginning of next week.  Forgot, and had to add the address of where I ordered the dummy rounds.  Also have some .22 magnums coming.  Prices very reasonable.  http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RSC&Product_Code=22LR%20DUMMIES


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: theoldsarge
Date Posted: September-01-2012 at 8:51pm
Got my dummy rounds.  Excellent.  Look just like the real thing, except for a tiny hole in the center of the bottom.  Feed great from the Daisy magazxines, just as long as you work the bolt kind of fast, work it slow and failure to feed every time.  Put some speed on it, and feeds every time, no prob.

The wrong bolt turned out to be a 2201 bolt.  They are not exactly the same as the 2202 bolts.  I've got the Eagle magaxzine 'almost' working.  It doesn't feed in all the way, lacks maybe 1/8", maybe less.  But I am sure it can be made to work.  Problem now is, work with which bolt?  If I make it to work with the 2202 bolt, I'm not sure it will work with the 2201 bolt.  I want to keep the 2202 bolt in the 2212, along with the Daisy magazine, because I think I can get rid of it easier that way.  But on the other hand, I would like to get the Eagle to work with that bolt.  Ah well, I guess I'll just go ahead and work on getting it working with the 2202 bolt, and include it with the 2213 if I can't get it working with the 2201 bolt also.  The 2201 bolt is now in the 2202 with the missing buttplate, undecided if I'll keep that one or not.  The Eagle magazines can be gotten for about $10 each, so I could modify several for it.  Problem is, modifying it is not turning into the cut and dry job I thought it would be, not bad, just more minor details than I'd ever figured on. 

I'm still working on it, never fear, but got other priorities that jumped ahead of it, so work on it has slowed.  Somehow lost the master for my chess set rook, so will need to make another, want to make some for toys for tots; got the rest of the masters, and working on a jig for painting a chess board in two easy steps.  Still need to make a master base for the chess pieces also, and that will also be used for checkers.  And canes, I need at least one spare cane, so designing a few different models, and will have a try at selling some also.  Got a couple of other projects going on also.  Bleah.  Bah.  Humbig.


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It ain't what your're told, it's what you know. - Granny Weatherwax


Posted By: Tawcoma26
Date Posted: October-21-2012 at 11:41pm
hey oldsarge, any updates on the magazine?
 
I picked up model 2202 about a month ago and it had no magazine. I was thinking about using a Ruger mag and stumbled upon your post. Looks like everything is working fine for you right? How is it once its shot?
 
Thanks



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