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Topic: Red Ryder Model 1938A-B
Posted By: willielumplump
Subject: Red Ryder Model 1938A-B
Date Posted: December-30-2012 at 4:51pm
Wow, I finally was able to obtain a Operating Manual for the Red Ryder 1938A-B; it was on GunBroker, seller from Canada; what surprised me was that there are other models designated with the A-B classification: 105; 111; 95; and 99.  However, what is curious, is that the U. S. Consumer Safety Commission's news letter of April 2, 1979 (link furnished below) did not mention the Models 95 and 99.Confused
 
They have to be RARE; Daisy voluntarily recalled these items because of some kind of safety defect with the cross block safety device,, but it was illegal for distributors to sell them without sending them back to the factory for rework.  I found a U. S. Consumer Product Safety Commission news release dated April 2, 1979, check it out at http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml79/79014.html" rel="nofollow -
Try this link:                                  http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/1979/Daisy-BB-Guns-Recalled/

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The significance of this recall is that only 19,100 BB guns were produced on the production runs of the various models; these were initially designated Model xxxxA; after the recall and rework, they were then designated xxxxA-B; which makes them RARE. 
 
Has anyone seen a Model xxxxA ? And to continue on that vein, how about Model xxxxA-B?  I have been haunting the auction sites for almost 4 years, and have only seen 3 A-Bs, 2 of which were Red Ryder 1938A, which is stamped on the receiver; and          the other a Model 111A-B.
 
I was able to acquire a brand new, in the box specimen of the 1938 A-B,thanks to an heads up by stevec, who had won over a bid for a used specimen; these guns have a gold silk screen annotation of their new designation on the receivers of the affected guns, and that is what makes them unique in my opinion, but anyway the owner's manual was MIA.  I did see a 111 A-B up for auction but it closed just as I was going to bid; I had delayed my bid because I thought it was a bogus specimen, had not yet seen the Conumer Protection news release;  big disappointment, because it went for small money.
 
It pays off to do due dilligence researcH, but other than Gary Garber's brilliant book, "An Encyclopedia of DAISY Plymouth Guns," which is now out of print, there is nothing out there that I know of that one can use; the "Blue Book  of Airguns" does not include the oddities of Daisy production runs, and also I have noted several errors in it.  Too bad they do not have someone dedicated to the Daisy line for editing purposes.
Does anyone have any other information on these A-B designations?


NOTE;   I think I forgot to mention that Model 1938A is stamped into the top of the receiver; after the rework, they were silk screened with gold lettering Model A-B on the right side of the receiver.

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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: January-08-2013 at 3:53pm
Yesterday I finally received the A-B Owner's Manual, and another one entirely in French; came to me from Canada.  Both are in like new condition, usually there is rust on the staples or rips and tears.
 
So far I have not received any response to my inquiry concerning does anyone have one of thse A-B designated Daisys or heard or know anything about them.
 
Speak up, Lads.Disapprove


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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: December-29-2014 at 6:35pm
I have just acquired my second Daisy Model 1938A-B from Gun Broker; no one else bid on it, essentially because it is missing the loading door, rear sight, and saddle ring w/cleat; and the wood stock and forearm have some scarring issues, but in actuality, all of which is easily remedied. The receiver is stamped "Model 1938A" and additionally, "Model 1938 A-B" is silk screened in gold lettering on the right side of the receiver.

It is no hyperbole stating that this variation of the Red Ryder Carbine is absolutely rare. The link in my original message referring to the Government recall seems to have lapsed, I will have to research that because I want to again reference it for your information.

I am having it drop shipped to Dennis Baker of Baker Airguns * Airgun Repair, located in Mt Victory, OH, who has been my mainstay air gun repair gahrue since 2009.

This specimen is well worth restoring; it definitely has a history; this one was well used for sure. I really enjoy restoring these old icons of American air gun history. I seldom reap any financial rewards, but I enjoy the feeling of salvaging these truly American specimens.

I believe the following link will get you to the Consumer Products Safety Commission ltr outlining the recall:
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/1979/Daisy-BB-Guns-Recalled/

28 March 2015 Dennis Baker restored my much used Daisy Red Ryder Model 1938A-B in fine order, got it back last week and am delighted with what he accomplished.

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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: March-28-2015 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by willielumplump willielumplump wrote:



Yesterday I finally received the A-B Owner's Manual, and another one entirely in French; came to me from Canada.  Both are in like new condition, usually there is rust on the staples or rips and tears.
 
So far I have not received any response to my inquiry concerning does anyone have one of thse A-B designated Daisys or heard or know anything about them.
 
Speak up, Lads.Disapprove


Greetings Daisy BB air gun fans: It has been three years since I posted the discovery of the Daisy Model 1938A, which was recalled for rework, then gold silk screened as Model A-B.

In all this time, apparently no one has come across this specimen. I know that STEVEC purchased a barrel and receiver assembly on eBay and restored it to working order. Let's here it, lads, anyone out there, has anyone seen or acquired one of these specimens? Or any other model with A-B designation?

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Posted By: klarson1033
Date Posted: April-17-2015 at 9:56am
Hello~
So I posted a message and then deleted it and I'm reposting I guess because I'm curious.  My friend gave me his old Daisy for my son.  I looked it up and saw the recall info from 1979.  It is stamped on top as a Model 105A and gold painted on the side as Model 105 A-B.  It is a plain Daisy, does not say Red Ryder.  I'm guessing this is the one after the recall and should be safe to use for my son?


Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: April-17-2015 at 7:59pm
What you have there is an extremely rare specimen, and you might consider making it a wall hanger so as to preserve it; and yes, it is safe to use.

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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: April-18-2015 at 8:20pm
I second Willie. That gun is not a shooter. It is too dear. There are 1000's of vintage BB guns to be had for your son to shoot, if a vintage gun is what you want for him. (that's what I would want, for what it's worth) I'd get a nice D 99 for $75 and put your rare collectible away for your retirement fund. Smile

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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: March-18-2016 at 12:30pm
I originally addressed this subject December 31, 2012, but have seen some inquiries lately about the 1979 recall of the "A" series production run that morphed into the "A-B" series, until the reworked items were finished and production resumed on Daisy's next iteration, the "B" series.

Hope this is helpful.


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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: May-07-2016 at 1:53pm
On a different note, I recently acquired a Model 111A-B, great condition, AND AM WONDERING WHY THERE IS NOT SOME INTENSE INTEREST IN THE Daisy A-B series which is an unplanned extremely rarity.




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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: May-08-2016 at 1:37pm
That's an interesting point. Just what is it that piques interest in certain collectable items and not in others. 

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Posted By: DaisyBBgunner
Date Posted: May-09-2016 at 11:02am
I would pay a fair sum for a 1938A-B operating manual!

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Posted By: Djmizell
Date Posted: September-17-2016 at 6:17am
I have a red rider 1bb gun model 1938 AB . Lot number L813439. It still shots. In good condition,missing a few things. ( the ring on the side, the door. Trying to determine the value.


Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: September-27-2016 at 9:16pm
It also is missing a forearm, and the stock is split.



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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: September-27-2016 at 9:17pm
Gary, I thought that I had sent one to you.



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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: September-27-2016 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by DaisyBBgunner DaisyBBgunner wrote:

I would pay a fair sum for a 1938A-B operating manual!

Gary, I thought that I had sent one to you along with the rifle.



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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: September-29-2017 at 5:54am
There's a recent thread on the 1938A. It's possibly the A-B, but w/o knowing the exact internal differences, it's going to be hard to determine whether it was ever back to the factory for the safety upgrade. It's not showing evidence of the silk screening mentioned earlier but that could be due to the condition and/or it having been removed during the life of the gun. Unfortunately the trigger assembly was a casualty during this gun's harsh life, so it may not reveal anything useful as far as how the safety functions- but that's speculation on my part.
 
Thread: http://forum.daisymuseum.com/1938a-restoration_topic7725.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.daisymuseum.com/1938a-restoration_topic7725.html


Posted By: rexron911
Date Posted: January-07-2018 at 3:08pm
I Would be interested in purchasing a 1938 AB. If anyone has one let me know.



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