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Metal Daisy Red Ryder Arrowhead

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Topic: Metal Daisy Red Ryder Arrowhead
Posted By: Daisy Pete
Subject: Metal Daisy Red Ryder Arrowhead
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 4:05pm
I just acquired a metal Daisy Red Ryder arrowhead. It is made of a shiny silvery heavy metal. It is identical in size to the plastic ones and very well executed. Has anyone ever seen or heard of such an example? Thank you.

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Daisy Pete



Replies:
Posted By: John in N.B.
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 6:01pm
Wow ! Maybe a salesmans sample?


Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 6:54pm
Thank you for your reply, John. I thought perhaps a pattern or prototype piece.

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Daisy Pete


Posted By: John in N.B.
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 7:38pm
Yes, could have been part of the moulding/prep process as well. That is a rare find in my opinion, especially when you see the prices on regular plastic specimens.


Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 8:57pm
John,
If you would like to see what it looks like email me and I will email you two photos of it. It looks to have been professionally manufactured and is very detailed. It's in pristine condition. Thank you.


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Daisy Pete


Posted By: John in N.B.
Date Posted: May-08-2017 at 9:44pm
Unbelievable, has to be seen to believe it. It's identical to the plastic. Some of the guys on here can post pics no problem (but I'm not one of them). Hopefully someone will get you to send them the pics for posting on here. What a score, I'm quite jealous ! LOL.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-09-2017 at 4:34pm
Here's the arrowhead, images from Daisy Pete:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: May-09-2017 at 5:31pm
That looks like it was plated with brass or some other yellow stuff. I'm betting that you made a very rare find. From the looks it may be some sort of premium for salesmen or big buyers. 
Where and how did you acquire it? 


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Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-09-2017 at 6:13pm
Hi Fuse,
Thanks for your inquiry. It has an extremely shiny silvery surface. What is really noticeable is the weight when held in your hand. It seems heavy for its size. I weighed it and it's a little over 3/4 of an ounce. I acquired it on ebay recently. The man I bought it from sells shoes and ties on ebay. He said he acquired it along with some other things from a retired female police officer in her sixties. He said she didn't know anything about it. He speculated that she might have had it for decades. Thanks again!  Pete


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Daisy Pete


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-10-2017 at 1:50pm
Thanks for the pictures.
Now the hunt is on for everyone else to find another one!
Gary


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: May-10-2017 at 5:47pm
Maybe solid nickle? I assume you tried a magnet on it already. 

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All I'm for is the liberty of the individual.


Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-10-2017 at 6:47pm
Hi Fuse,
It isn't magnetic. I emailed Gary Garber about it and he was kind enough to reply and said: "You have a fascinating arrowhead.  I have never seen one like it.  Could Daisy have used something like that to make a mold for the plastic arrowheads, I wonder.  Don't know.  Another Daisy mystery!"  I also emailed Dennis Baker "Daisy King" he too was kind enough to reply and said: "New one to me. Never seen one before." I also emailed Joe Murfin via the Daisy Museum but haven't heard anything from him. I'll post any future responses. Thank you!  


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Daisy Pete


Posted By: John in N.B.
Date Posted: May-10-2017 at 7:53pm
As I said before, what a score. You could probably get two like new in the box model 21's for it.


Posted By: oneandgone
Date Posted: May-10-2017 at 9:10pm
That is one hell of a find, and not to mention at an amazing price. Had that been titled better who know what it may have brought.


Posted By: panther1
Date Posted: May-11-2017 at 10:04pm
Hi Pete, you had emailed me a few days ago to ask me if Inew anything about this metal arrowhead that you had purchased on eBay. As I had told you, there was a listing on eBay a few years back by a seller who had one of these. I asked him then about it and he told me that he and a friend had done a "lost wax casting" on an original Daisy Red Ryder arrowhead and made one for each of themselves and a few extras to sell in the future. They were cast in silver hence the heavy weight. I too have one of these Red Ryder silver arrowheads and I also have a Davy Crockett silver arrowhead as well. Both cast in .999 silver. They are a neat conversation piece. Enjoy yours and show it proudly. Rich


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-12-2017 at 9:01am
Well there are a few more out there.
Anyone else here have one?
Gary


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-12-2017 at 9:02am
Well there are a few more out there.
If these are cast from the original plastic ones they will be a little smaller since the silver shrinks as it cools. How does yours compare to a plastic one in size?
Anyone else here have one?
Gary


Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-12-2017 at 10:40am
Hi Gary,
I originally described my metal arrowhead as being identical in size to the plastic ones. However after reading your post and upon closer examination, I determined that you're absolutely right. My metal arrowhead is just a tad smaller than my plastic one. Thank you very much for your keen observation.


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Daisy Pete


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: May-12-2017 at 6:44pm
The mystery seems to be getting solved. Nice one.

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All I'm for is the liberty of the individual.


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-13-2017 at 10:12am
Too bad we do't know how many were made. Will be interesting to see if any others show up.
At least the original mystery is solved.
This is a great place to learn!
Gary


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-13-2017 at 5:19pm
I saw one of the Arrowheads listed some years ago as .999 silver and it was a little pricy.
I did not think of it as a Daisy as it showed one side with Red Ryder and not the back side with the Daisy logo.  I do not remember if it had the hole in the top.
It was listed as a bolo tie or neckerchief slide and only had one picture to view.
I did not think anything about it at the time and probably should have asked a few questions about it.
I think it was on Ebay but I am not sure.  I am old and it was a few years back so I am not sure where it was.
Rick in TX


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Rick - Lifetime Museum Member


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-13-2017 at 7:36pm
The example shown looks to have undergone some form of plating during its lifetime. There were/are plating 'kits' available for several types of metal- including gold. An industrious individual could cobble together such a kit themselves for that matter. DIY plating doesn't necessarily mean thin plating, but it wouldn't surprise me if it had been thinly plated, and subsequent wear from handling through the years removed almost all of it.
 
 


Posted By: Daisy Pete
Date Posted: May-13-2017 at 10:46pm
Thank you very much, Cobalt, for posting the pictures for me. I'm quite sure it hasn't been plated. The pictures are a little deceiving in that regard. It might be tarnish that gives it that appearance. I plan on taking it to a jeweler in the near future to have it tested to see if it's silver. I also haven't given up on trying to locate the maker and getting the whole story. Thanks again!

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Daisy Pete


Posted By: panther1
Date Posted: May-14-2017 at 12:05pm
This metal arrowhead has certainly generated lots of excitement. When I read what Rick Cates (Rick in Texas) had posted it confirms what I had posted earlier. A few years pack, there was a posting on eBay for a .999 silver Red Ryder arrowhead. At that time, I emailed the seller with the question of how and where he had acquired such an oddity thinking I had stumbled upon a real treasure. He told me that he and a friend in the jewelry business had come up with the idea of making a "lost wax casting" of an original plastic Red Ryder arrowhead. They made one for each of themselves and a couple extras to possibly sell later to cover the initial costs of making them. I purchased the one they had listed on eBay at that time. Afterward, I asked if they would be selling anymore and I was told maybe sometime in the future. So this is where I would suspect this arrowhead of Petes has come from. If anyone really wants one, I will take preorders and have a bunch made up. I have a jeweler who made up some of the Davy Crockett arrowhead version in .999 silver for me a few years ago using the same method of "lost wax casting" and they came out really nice. If you must have one, I will get some made.


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: May-14-2017 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by panther1 panther1 wrote:

This metal arrowhead has certainly generated lots of excitement. When I read what Rick Cates (Rick in Texas) had posted it confirms what I had posted earlier. A few years pack, there was a posting on eBay for a .999 silver Red Ryder arrowhead. At that time, I emailed the seller with the question of how and where he had acquired such an oddity thinking I had stumbled upon a real treasure. He told me that he and a friend in the jewelry business had come up with the idea of making a "lost wax casting" of an original plastic Red Ryder arrowhead. They made one for each of themselves and a couple extras to possibly sell later to cover the initial costs of making them. I purchased the one they had listed on eBay at that time. Afterward, I asked if they would be selling anymore and I was told maybe sometime in the future. So this is where I would suspect this arrowhead of Petes has come from. If anyone really wants one, I will take preorders and have a bunch made up. I have a jeweler who made up some of the Davy Crockett arrowhead version in .999 silver for me a few years ago using the same method of "lost wax casting" and they came out really nice. If you must have one, I will get some made.

I would be interested if they are not to pricy.  That was one reason I passed on the one I first saw years ago plus if I remember correctly it was listed as a bolo tie.  I would only want one in silver if it was a exact copy of the Daisy Arrowhead.
Silver is down in price right now so now is the time to do it.
One other issue might be the copyright on Red Ryder and Daisy logo on the arrowhead.
I am not sure how all that works but I believe Daisy bought the rights to Red Ryder prior to producing the first Red Ryder rifle.  I think that is in the book "Its a Daisy".
Let me know on price and I might be interested in several to pass out at Christmas to our kids and grandkids.
By the way where are you located?
Rick in TX


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Rick - Lifetime Museum Member


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-14-2017 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by Daisy Pete Daisy Pete wrote:

Thank you very much, Cobalt, for posting the pictures for me. I'm quite sure it hasn't been plated. The pictures are a little deceiving in that regard. It might be tarnish that gives it that appearance. I plan on taking it to a jeweler in the near future to have it tested to see if it's silver. I also haven't given up on trying to locate the maker and getting the whole story. Thanks again!
Don't mention it, glad to help. Regarding the lack of plating, must just be the background reflection... but nice find!



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