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Topic: Daisys in general
Posted By: alselectric53
Subject: Daisys in general
Date Posted: June-24-2017 at 10:58pm
I assume the older 1938 Daisy BB guns have value. 1938B? I grew up with the 1894s as many did, my favorite. Really interested in the Model 21 double barrel, or others. Thanks,



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Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: June-25-2017 at 8:55am
You can check on GunBroker to see what they are selling for, be sure to check the ones that actually sell, not just asking prices. Some of the special editions will bring a premium.
As BB gun collecting attracted more people collectors began buying and saving new guns so there is a good supply of many of them. 


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: June-28-2017 at 9:35am
The typical 1938 Red Ryders are generally worth more than a typical 1938b. There were far less of them, they were very similar to the 111 model 40, and in good condition, fairly rare. 

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Posted By: oldwizzer
Date Posted: June-28-2017 at 5:16pm
I'm about where Willie is with regard age as such I don't post all that much.
Willie could have probably helped you out if you wished to purchase an air rifle, unfortunately he just sold off just about all of his collection, it would not hurt to ask him anyway.
It seems when a 1938-B comes up for sale a lot of sellers list it as a model 1938 which it is not.
IF my memory serves me right there was a Model 1938 and a Number 1938 , both have the lightning loader system.

Ejwills.


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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-16-2017 at 4:33pm
I came across a true 1938 today.
I did not buy it as the shot tube would not come out.  It would go about a half a round and get tight like something was in the base area.  It also let the bb's roll out the tube when I pointed it down.  I thought the bb retainer spring/clip may have come loose and is binding the tube.
It was priced at $25 and was in pretty good shape.
Should I have purchased it?
I collect only the older Plymouth Daisy's so I am not familiar with these.
Should I go back and get it?
Thanks
Rick



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Posted By: oneandgone
Date Posted: September-16-2017 at 7:03pm
For $25 if it is in good shape visually I'd have probably bought it. I have one with a cracked stock though, so maybe I'm biased. $25 isn't too bad though, either way I don't think.


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-16-2017 at 8:47pm
It did look good hardly any marks on it.  It was marked Model 1938 and nothing else.
It has the pressed in Red Ryder on the left side of the stock.  It was missing a couple of the nuts.
I just do not know much about the Rogers Daisy's.
I may go back to see if it is still there if $25 was a good price.  I just had no idea.
Any suggestions on pulling the shot tube out?
Thanks
Rick


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Posted By: Dan Neidinger
Date Posted: September-16-2017 at 11:07pm
Go buy it! 
Try to turn gun upside down and rock the shot tube back and forth. 
It may take a long time but should come out.


Posted By: WillH
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by oldwizzer oldwizzer wrote:

 
 
 
IF my memory serves me right there was a Model 1938 and a Number 1938 , both have the lightning loader system.

Ejwills.

My Red Ryder is marked NO. 1938; REG. NO. K789875. It has the lightning loader system. Was there also one marked Model 1938? Thanks  


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 12:45pm
This one does have the lightening loader.
I am going back and try to buy it later today.
I will then try to get the shot tube out.
That and the missing nuts were the only negatives to the Daisy.
Thanks to all for the info.
Rick


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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 2:15pm
I purchased the No 1938 Red Ryder Register No G324913 Daisy for $20.
Now for the fun of removing the shot tube.
Wish me luck.
Rick


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Posted By: oneandgone
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 3:41pm
Nice! Good luck! 


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 7:39pm
Sounds like an early 1938 to me. the register # places it at July 1973. I'd try some mellow heat on the place where the shot tube screws in. a hair dryer is what i use. your issue might be dried up oil/lube. A bit of heat will loosen that up. Let us know how it comes out.......pardon me.

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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 8:29pm
I have it soaking with oil now.
The shot tube turns clockwise but only goes about 90 degrees in counterclockwise and binds tight.
It is binding on something.
I am thinking it may have a bb or bbs hung up at the base.
It feels solid after the 90 degree turn.
It shoots what seems really hard so the spring is strong.
If the oil does not work out I think I will pull the spring/plunger assy out and see what it looks like from the back side.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Rick


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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: September-17-2017 at 8:44pm
I'm stumped. It's pretty simple in the "barrel" north of the place where the tube screws in. Just a smooth cylinder......nothing really to bind on. Not sure how a bb could get in them threads......in back of the shot tube threads yes but in them??? Rust?

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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-18-2017 at 12:51pm
Well after a overnight soak nothing changed so I stripped it down completely.
Looking from the back side the tube was turning just like the other end.
I took a left hand thread easy out and put it in the back side of the shot tube and with the added pressure of the easy out and turning the muzzle end it did get past the obstruction and screw out.
What I found was the bb funnel area of the shot tube was bent over to the side and catching on the barrel reinforcement area of the outer tube.  This one has a reinforcement over half of the outer tube and that is what the funnel sheet metal was catching on.  It was bent badly and the bb retainer spring was loose in the barrel.
I would guess someone tried to pull the shot tube with it full of bb's and bent the funnel area a little and just enough to catch the reinforcement area and then it got worse from there by working it back and forth.
I used needle nose pliers to rebend the funnel area back in place.  That was no easy task as that is really stiff stuff.  Put the bb retainer spring back in place tried the tube back in the barrel and then reassembled the the rest of the Daisy.
I took it out and shot it.  Worked great.
A lot of trouble for such a small issue.
Maybe this will help someone else in the future.
Rick


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Posted By: oneandgone
Date Posted: September-18-2017 at 7:12pm
Good work! So, worth the $20 then, eh?!


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: September-18-2017 at 7:47pm
It shot so well and accurate I was surprised.  I have an old King I really like to shoot but now this 1938 may be above the King.  The King is a hard hitter but I think the 1938 may match it.
A well spent $20 bucks.
Rick


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Posted By: oneandgone
Date Posted: September-18-2017 at 8:09pm
That's awesome. I love it. 


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: September-19-2017 at 6:43pm
Nice work! I will remember your troubles for future reference. Thank you for sharing.

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Posted By: willielumplump
Date Posted: November-17-2017 at 11:04pm
Mr Cates, I enjoyed reading the saga of your finally obtained Daisy 1938; when I was actively collecting, sometimes I would purchase guns in lots of 5, 10, even 60; upon screening through them, I would send the unserviceable specimens to my airgun smith, Dennis Baker out in Mt Victory, Ohio, a highly reputable gentleman.  Shipping would be $40 round trip, plus labor and parts, average repair + shipping would be about $80 to $120, not counting the original purchase price.

Which meant that the repaired gun would only bring at sale, half of what it cost me; I did it because I felt duty bound to preserve the early Daisy iconic BB guns for future Daisy Nuts.  I am not a wealthy man, however, I do not have many other bad spending habits,  (my wife thinks otherwiseShocked) anyway, glad you went back and purchased that old Daisy.  Congratulations on your dedication and hard work.



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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: November-18-2017 at 9:51am
I just do the repairs for fun. Being retired I try to find things to keep me busy. I am not a TV fan as most programs are just junk to me. I collect the Plymouth Daisy's so the 1938 was going outside my collection but it was in such good shape I had to go back and rescue it and repair it. I have more Daisy's and tools than I probably need however, I enjoy both and it keeps me out of trouble or that is what I tell the wife.
I also enjoy this forum and reading about everyone and what they post.
Happy Holidays to everyone and have a very Merry Christmas.
Rick in TX

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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-19-2017 at 10:08am
I'm kind of a hybrid airgun hobbiest. I too bought 95% of the guns I aquired in lots from folk who were offloading. I'm still buying. I'm really not a wealthy man so none of them ever go out to be fixed. I fix/reseal the ones I can, and the rest become parts. If I really really like a gun I keep it as a shooter. All the rest go up for sale. So for a minimum initial outlay, I can be hip deep in a self sustaining hobby. It truly costs me nothing. Karen and I have about a dozen shooters that we wont part with and another 50-60 guns that are currently "in the pipeline". Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. 



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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-19-2017 at 11:36am
Except for a nice model 96 that I keep original, I don't actually 'collect' Daisys or any type of airgun for that matter, so I suppose I don't really belong here in the first place.
 
I took a few Daisys that had been neglected/abused to the point they were worthless to a collector and along with a new production Red Ryder from China, I set out to make myself my ideal BB gun. Along the way I have learned a lot and thought I would pass that info along when I could. A few appreciate it, others could care less and that's okay, too.


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: November-20-2017 at 8:20am
I find there is a fine line between "collector" and "gatherer". For me, it's the fun of it all. I refuse (that is my wife refuses) to spend a fortune this hobby. Old ones I try to restore or Frankenstein. I also have a blast re-styling new 105's into looking like other guns ie: Russian DP28, Mare's Leg, Tommy Guns, Coach Gun,etc. If it ain't fun, don't bother.

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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-20-2017 at 6:15pm
Now you've teased us lets see some of them 105's you've "messed" with.Smile

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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: November-20-2017 at 7:48pm
I still can't post pix on this forum. I'll get some together and email them to you. Give me a day or two.

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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-21-2017 at 6:23pm
I appreciate it. I'll be off to family for the holiday. Hope you all have a nice turkey day as well.Tongue

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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: November-29-2017 at 7:01pm
Fuse, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with family.
Glad you enjoyed the pictures of the modifications. They're as much fun to make as to shoot. Already have an idea for next spring's project. Thanks for showing an interest. My wife is soooo proud of her Tommy Gun!!

Air.

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Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-30-2017 at 8:24pm
Thank you for the pics. Very nice work and very imaginative. That double barrel is a nice looker as well. Cool

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Posted By: rexron911
Date Posted: February-24-2018 at 12:14pm
Shot tube removal can be tricky. I would heat up shot tube and turn it carefully with channel locks with lots of tape around both sides of jaws and a rag at the tip to avoid marks. Also sometimes the nut in front of the plunger get loose. (Not fun!) Putting pressure on captured nut from stock end with a long straight screwdriver helps. I have a 108-29 that the tabs broke off that hold the shot tube nut. (Not good!) Now it is being held in place because it was sandwiched between plunger head and tapered barrel, so if If I cocked it and took shot tube out at same time it would go back into stock end of gun for sure.


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