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1961 DAISY MODEL 97 BB GUN RICOCHET SOUND RARE

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Topic: 1961 DAISY MODEL 97 BB GUN RICOCHET SOUND RARE
Posted By: SFCKAGAN
Subject: 1961 DAISY MODEL 97 BB GUN RICOCHET SOUND RARE
Date Posted: November-05-2017 at 4:52pm
1961 DAISY MODEL 97 BB GUN RICOCHET SOUND $300
This is the Daisy "Model 97" Lever Action BB Gun with 'Ricochet' Sound Effect built into the forward chamber. This apparently was only made for the year 1961, and has the patent number: '2,758,586.' This also has the registration number: G274569 This is a rather rare Daisy and indeed does have an odd and interesting feature in the Faux Ricochet!  Mainly due to the fact it made the ricochet sound and most kids hated that sound after a while because it scared off the birds that they were shooting at. That usually led to the removal of the mechanism that made the sound, and that's why only one year of production and hard to find in working condition.
This one works just fine and still has a strong blast, as well as the Ricochet sound. The gun is 35" long, and has overall light handling wear.
Extremely Rare Vintage Daisy Model No. 97 Ricochet Sound BB Rifle and Rarely Come Up for Sale
- Produced one year 1961 !
- Perfect working as manufactured !
- Stenciling on forearm surviver !
- Shoots Strong !
- Great Collectable Daisy for any Collection !
- Will Ship For Free !

Email me if you would like to see photo's : sfckagan@sbcglobal.net


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Thanks,
Dave



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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-05-2017 at 6:01pm
Thanks for photos and welcome to Daisy Talk.
 
ETA, There was a discrepancy in the reg. no. that has been corrected.
 
The photos below are the model 97 being sold by SFCKAGAN. I'm posting them so they can be enjoyed by all.
 
 


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: November-05-2017 at 6:43pm
I have a couple of these and they both look like the photos. Daisy also made a pop gun just like the BB gun under a different model number. They are a fun gun.
Just my 2 Cents
Rick in TX

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-05-2017 at 6:48pm
Pls. disregard.


Posted By: SFCKAGAN
Date Posted: November-05-2017 at 8:21pm
Reg # G274569, I didn't change it when copying an old add from 2008. corrected the reg # in the add. thanks for bringing that to my attention.

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Thanks,
Dave


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: November-06-2017 at 8:52am
I have a pop gun and several of these. Two of them have the most warped stocks I have ever seen.
Must have been a bad year for what ever they made the stock from.
Cobalt-yours looks nice and straight.
Gary


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-06-2017 at 9:08am
Originally posted by SFCKAGAN SFCKAGAN wrote:

Reg # G274569, I didn't change it when copying an old add from 2008. corrected the reg # in the add. thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Thank you. Edited my posts to reflect this, and again- nice gun, don't think I've seen a better one- I've read the silk screening was easily lost to normal play wear. Interesting these guns could have gold or black levers. I believe there was a JC Higgins version that had a lighter colored stock but haven't been able to locate a good photo.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-06-2017 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Bavaria55n Bavaria55n wrote:

I have a pop gun and several of these. Two of them have the most warped stocks I have ever seen.
Must have been a bad year for what ever they made the stock from.
Cobalt-yours looks nice and straight.
Gary
You're right about the warped stocks- most I've seen photos and descriptions of mention the stocks and forearms being warped.
 
For the record, the photos of the model 97 above is the same exact gun being sold by SFCKAGAN in the first post. It IS a very nice one!
 
Mark


Posted By: SFCKAGAN
Date Posted: November-07-2017 at 10:18am
Thanks Mark for posting the photo's for the 97. You can definitely see a slight curve in the stock. From what I have seen and read, I think that all of the models with the plastic stocks, develop a curve to some degree. Just the nature of the material that they used back then. With plastic stocks, it's important to store them flat.


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Thanks,
Dave


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-07-2017 at 5:59pm
Not sure that storing them flat would even help. I believe the curve develops from changes in temp and slight stresses that developed when the cheap plastic cooled to harden.

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Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: November-08-2017 at 9:01am
I agree, I think they are going to bend however they are stored.
Look at the forearms that 'droop' at both ends. My first gun did and it was never stored horizontally, always leaning in a corner some place.
Gary


Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: November-08-2017 at 7:46pm
Makes finding a fairly straight stock from that era real hard to source. I have had exactly one out of the dozen or so that I have come across. 

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Posted By: rleegabe
Date Posted: December-01-2019 at 3:35pm
Would you consider selling a model 97 for parts ???? I need the ricochet unit.


I have a pop gun and several of these. Two of them have the most warped stocks I have ever seen.
Must have been a bad year for what ever they made the stock from.
Cobalt-yours looks nice and straight.
Gary


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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: December-01-2019 at 6:58pm
Gary, just to clarify, the photo of the 97 I posted are of the gun owned by SFCKAGAN.
Good luck on a parts gun. FWIW the pop gun ricochet units are very similar if from the same era and could probably be interchanged.
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Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: January-13-2020 at 9:49pm
Had to dig this old post up , Cobalt I have one of the J.C. Higgins 97's with the lighter stock and after a bit of oiling and getting one of the oversized Daisy BB's out of it it's a good shooter , can't really post pictures here but if there is a need I can send them out email wise .  

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Realshooter


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 10:01am
I recently repaired a model 97 for a gentleman and I was very pleasantly surprised at just how well it shot! The cocking and firing cycles were smooth as butter after I resealed it. I found that the spring is quite a bit different than other Daisys from the same era, I'm not sure if the differences were because of the ricochet feature or what, but the spring is very long, with a smaller wire diameter than would be expected for a gun that now shoots an honest 300 fps. I kind of hated to send it back- I was having a lot of fun shooting it!


Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 12:21pm
Yes they are for sure different , hardest part was to get the right number of coils for the lever that hits the drum , 1st one i did was dead on the first time , the other two not so much , this one must have gotten an oversized BB in it early on or something as the drum is in such good shape I find it hard to believe unless somehow they replaced it , funny thing with these is that they don't like much oil as far as noise go's so you have to oil it all up and then wipe about all of it off of the drum and sound amplifier , cool guns for sure and like you said very smooth shooters that hit pretty hard . You know me , as much as I like it I am staying the course and may be selling it , same with some 99's I have which are also smooth shooters with that unique trigger . 

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Realshooter


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by cobalt327 cobalt327 wrote:

I recently repaired a model 97 for a gentleman and I was very pleasantly surprised at just how well it shot! The cocking and firing cycles were smooth as butter after I resealed it. I found that the spring is quite a bit different than other Daisys from the same era, I'm not sure if the differences were because of the ricochet feature or what, but the spring is very long, with a smaller wire diameter than would be expected for a gun that now shoots an honest 300 fps. I kind of hated to send it back- I was having a lot of fun shooting it!


Here's a hunch about that longer spring. I've parted out several toy guns and discovered that the springs can be quite a bit longer than the BB shooters. It could be that since this one and it's toy counterpart are the same size that Daisy just used the same power plant and saved a few bucks in production.

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by Airitis Airitis wrote:

 Here's a hunch about that longer spring. I've parted out several toy guns and discovered that the springs can be quite a bit longer than the BB shooters. It could be that since this one and it's toy counterpart are the same size that Daisy just used the same power plant and saved a few bucks in production.
That's possible. The spring is 9.25" overall. I've seen pop guns with even longer springs.


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-14-2020 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by Dannop2 Dannop2 wrote:

Yes they are for sure different , hardest part was to get the right number of coils for the lever that hits the drum , 1st one i did was dead on the first time , the other two not so much , this one must have gotten an oversized BB in it early on or something as the drum is in such good shape I find it hard to believe unless somehow they replaced it , funny thing with these is that they don't like much oil as far as noise go's so you have to oil it all up and then wipe about all of it off of the drum and sound amplifier , cool guns for sure and like you said very smooth shooters that hit pretty hard .
The number of coils would have a bearing on the sound and I hadn't considered that. The gun I resealed did not have an operational ricochet, and I wasn't asked to work on it so it never entered my mind. 
Quote You know me , as much as I like it I am staying the course and may be selling it , same with some 99's I have which are also smooth shooters with that unique trigger. 
I like that trigger a lot. I built myself a model 96 using a 99 trigger. It is a nice shooting gun, too. Shane refinished stock, and the open sights of the 96 work better for my kind of shooting, which amounts to back yard plinking and hanging targets, etc. The dark background from the woods makes shooting with peeps hard for me.







Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: January-15-2020 at 12:34pm
Pretty rifle Mark , shoot , I am getting close to needing a scope or dot for about any shooting  outside of my well lit  shop , yes anytime you get a 97 or like gun not sounding all that great make sure that the lever that spins the drum is : long enough as they can get a pretty good bend in them , no heavy grease or oil on the parts , small clear disc is not broken and that the small wire is hitting the drum and resting on the disc , oh and grease built up on the underside of the forearm will muffle some of the sound too . after seeing your improved 96 I may have to rescue an old 99 that is in very poor condition , shoots perfect but man is it ugly LOL .  

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Realshooter


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-15-2020 at 11:38pm
I will make a note of that ricochet mechanism info- thanks!!


Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: January-16-2020 at 11:38am
You bet .

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Realshooter


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: February-27-2020 at 5:09pm
I'm hoping you can fill me in on the lever that spins the toothed drum- how is it attached to the gun, how does the spring (I'm guessing t's the spring) interacts with the lever, or anything else that might help me get my head around how it works. I have a few photos but none shows the lever clearly. I even had a ricochet gun here for repairs, I should have taken a peek then, but I didn't think to. *facepalm*


Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: February-27-2020 at 5:13pm
Hi Mark , the lever just slips in the plunger spring , you have to time it by the number of coils so that it will hit he drum and spin but not so much that it drags too much  , not he most fun gun to work on but man if you can do a 1894 ...you will have no problem , the lever will go in and seat inside the coils , I hope this is helpful  and that I am expanding myself well , if not , shoot me an email and we will talk it over .

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Realshooter


Posted By: jackdog
Date Posted: February-27-2020 at 10:58pm
For what its worth.....Here are the Daisy Instructions for the "bullet whine" mech.  You guys may already have this or saw it but I thought it may be useful...  I have the play rifles and the 97 and they all have the same mech, so it will apply to whatever "bullet whine" Daisy.. Hope it helps in some way and not just taking up posting space...
Again right click on the image in the post and select view image.  You will get a larger picture. click on the picture and you will get a larger version....
Rick




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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: February-27-2020 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Dannop2 Dannop2 wrote:

Hi Mark , the lever just slips in the plunger spring , you have to time it by the number of coils so that it will hit he drum and spin but not so much that it drags too much  , not he most fun gun to work on but man if you can do a 1894 ...you will have no problem , the lever will go in and seat inside the coils , I hope this is helpful  and that I am expanding myself well , if not , shoot me an email and we will talk it over .
I understand now. Less complex than what my imagination had come up with- and that's the beauty of these guns. Simple but VERY well thought out.

Originally posted by jackdog jackdog wrote:

For what its worth.....Here are the Daisy Instructions for the "bullet whine" mech.  You guys may already have this or saw it but I thought it may be useful...  I have the play rifles and the 97 and they all have the same mech, so it will apply to whatever "bullet whine" Daisy.. Hope it helps in some way and not just taking up posting space...
Again right click on the image in the post and select view image.  You will get a larger picture. click on the picture and you will get a larger version....
Rick
I find that very interesting- thanks, Rick. If you had asked me how to adjust the mechanism before seeing this, I'd have said that the wire or "reed" needed to be tweaked. So it's a good thing I never tried to adjust one!



Posted By: zipper28
Date Posted: March-15-2020 at 11:56am

Hi all hope everyone is in good health. Just picked up a model 97 in pretty nice shape with a strong ricochet sound but shoots a bb very weakly. I am going to check the condition of the plunger washer and barrel seal but would would like to know if there are any special steps because of the ricochet mechanism. Any help would be appreciated.


Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: March-15-2020 at 2:38pm
I would try to oil it first before taking it apart.
I believe these were all made with the rubber style seals which take a set over time.
I had one with the same issue that was cleared after oiling it a couple of times over a few days time.
Oil it good from the oil hole and the barrel and leave it in the cocked position overnight and exercise it a few times and re-oil and let it set.
This worked for me.
Hope it all works out for you.
Rick in TX


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Posted By: zipper28
Date Posted: March-15-2020 at 5:33pm

Thanks Rick I'll try that first. I have a feeling the abutment washer is stuck to the plunger head as it makes a "clack" sound when fired but it's hard to tell over the ricochet noise. So if that's the case I'll end up removing the plunger assembly and see what's going on.



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