'Scope'/shroud you don't see every day
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Topic: 'Scope'/shroud you don't see every day
Posted By: cobalt327
Subject: 'Scope'/shroud you don't see every day
Date Posted: April-20-2018 at 2:34pm
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Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: April-21-2018 at 9:16am
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I have never seen one with the 'shroud' like that. Any idea what it is off of? Is it for one of the wide frame guns? gary
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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-21-2018 at 10:07am
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Gary, honestly I have no idea! Was hoping someone here could ID it. I went as far as to photoshop a copy w/a transparent background so I could overlay it onto photos of various Daisys, and I still couldn't find a match. Like you, I had also thought it might be a wide frame thing but when overlaid onto one of them, the front of the shroud sits above the wide frame shroud by a quarter inch or so, leaving a gap. At least that's how it looked to me. |
Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: April-21-2018 at 11:33am
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It almost looks like it was made to fit over a model 25 - slide the front under the rear sight and put the stock screw back in or a longer one. ------------- Realshooter |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-21-2018 at 3:18pm
Maybe. I tried to overlay the scope on a 25 earlier but after looking at the photo below, it might work. Seems like the basic lines match but that's a guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-21-2018 at 4:34pm
| It's up to >$42 w/2 days to go- so someone must know what it goes to! haha |
Posted By: the fuse
Date Posted: April-22-2018 at 8:45pm
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Looks like the form of a D 99/95 or the like. ------------- All I'm for is the liberty of the individual. |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: April-22-2018 at 8:59pm
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The slot in the front and sweeping at the back and the screw hole is what makes it hard for me to tell what it fits on. Someone on here needs to buy it and then tell the rest of us what it actually fits. It is something you do not see every day. It is the first time for me to see this one in all my collecting days. Rick in TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: April-24-2018 at 1:16pm
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It sold for $79.99. Not mine or anyone I know. Did anyone on here purchase it? I would like to know what it fit and more about it. Just Curious! Rick in TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-24-2018 at 3:20pm
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Not me. There were only 4 bidders but I have to believe at least one of them knows what they were bidding on. Too bad ebay no longer allows contact w/bidders, else I'd be asking! I've asked at the American Vintage Airgun forum but so far nothing.
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Posted By: Dan Neidinger
Date Posted: April-24-2018 at 5:08pm
| I will let you know more when I get it and figure out what it fits! |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-24-2018 at 5:49pm
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That's great, Dan- I'm really curious! Mark
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Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: April-24-2018 at 8:04pm
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That is great. The mystery will be solved. I thought it might be someone from the forum who purchased it. Rick in TX
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Posted By: Dan Neidinger
Date Posted: April-26-2018 at 10:25pm
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Well the mystery continues! The scope does not fit any gun I have. I think it may fit the Daisy play gun with the rubber bayonet.
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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: April-27-2018 at 8:35pm
| The mystery continues... |
Posted By: BurghDude
Date Posted: April-27-2018 at 8:47pm
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The only bayonet gun I'm aware of is the 40 Defender. This scope wouldn't work on that, there's no place for that tang screw to attach. Are you talking about a different one? |
Posted By: Iceman
Date Posted: April-28-2018 at 9:04am
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I think he referenced the "trainer" that has the rubber bayonet. I do not have the trainer so I can't speak to that, however, I do have a rubber bayonet in pristine condition.  |
Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-05-2018 at 8:33am
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Anything else turn up on what gun this was made for? Gary
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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-05-2018 at 12:53pm
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I may be way off here, but this looks like a toy. It doesn't seem to be solidly mountable. Looks like the front slides under an existing rear sight and only has one screw in the back. Also, it doesn't have adjustments for elevation nor windage. Can't tell if there are lenses. Maybe it was made for a popgun or as an "add-on". ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-06-2018 at 8:52am
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Could be. But none of the 'peep sight scopes' used on the BB guns had any adjustment. Certainly a solidly made item compared to the plastic of today. Gary
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Posted By: BurghDude
Date Posted: May-08-2018 at 12:18pm
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I thought it would be fun to reach out to the museum regarding this, and this is the reply I received. I'm copying their reply here with permission, and thank you Daisy Museum Staff! I'll try later to post the picture they sent. In the early 1970 a series of wood guns were made and among them was the 846. The shroud itself is off of a model 846 toy gun made in the early 1970s. The scope is a #301 toy gun scope with no glass for magnification - but it should have an eyepiece. I've attached a catalog page scan from a 1974 catalog. Take a look at the model 846 Training rifle (toy gun). That is the shroud that is shown with the scope attached in Daisy Talk / on ebay. There was not a production shroud made with a scope mount. There are two options regarding how this piece came to exist - and they are really the same. It's possible that a shroud was pulled before it was painted and the scope mount was spot welded to it by a Daisy employee as a speculative new product idea. No doubt it was rejected either due to cost or because it would have required larger packaging and therefore more retail space. This gun was never produced with the scope/mount. It's also possible that any other individual might have created the piece for the same reasons. We hope this information is helpful. The Daisy Museum
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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-08-2018 at 6:17pm
| Too cool. A true skunkwerks type deal here, unique to the hilt. |
Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-09-2018 at 12:14pm
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Thanks for the information. A unique piece indeed. Gary
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Posted By: BurghDude
Date Posted: May-10-2018 at 7:52am
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I finally got the picture they provided loaded. The gun in question is the lower left one. I couldn't find any other pictures of that one anywhere! |
Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: May-10-2018 at 5:24pm
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Veering off the subject a little, I have the scabbard for the 1968 Trail Scout on the upper right photo. No belt/strap. just the scabbard. Until now I didn't know what it was for. Thanks for posting the pix. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-01-2019 at 1:34pm
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Did happen to see this on auction today- lever action version of the one from the museum's ad:      |
Posted By: BSAGuy
Date Posted: July-01-2019 at 9:32pm
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Wow. Very cool, Cobalt. Thanks for the new info on this thread. ------------- Be Prepared |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: August-07-2019 at 4:38pm
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I ran across a very small little bb rifle I had never seen before and had to buy it. It had a small version of the scope which is actually a peep type sight using the front blade. It is marked model 104 register no J113100 and is 29 inches overall. It is so small I could not believe it was a bb shooter and not a play pop model. Made in Rogers and has slotted screws. I usually only buy Plymouth made Daisy's, however this was so small and cute I just had to buy it and the fact that I had never seen this little one before I could not pass it up. Anyone know more about this model? I would like to know more. Rick in Canyon TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: August-07-2019 at 6:05pm
| Haha- does this bring back memories! The Daisy 104 is the very gun that set me on the path to https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/putting-a-little-more-power-in-a-15-00-daisy.807316/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/putting-a-little-more-power-in-a-15-00-daisy.807316/" rel="nofollow - modifying and consequently learning |
Posted By: Rick Cates
Date Posted: August-07-2019 at 9:28pm
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Thanks for the info. Mine looks to be a black color and most of the paint is still there. No rust. We are out on a racing trip right now and I only have an iPad and I do not know how to post pictures.anyway. I will try to get some photos taken and see what I can do when we get back home and I have some time. It is in nice shape and all there with the scope. It was something I had not seen before and just to cute to pass up. Thanks again, Rick in TX ------------- Rick - Lifetime Museum Member |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: August-08-2019 at 10:49am
| Push comes to shove, email the photos to me and I'll post them for you. |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: October-29-2019 at 3:42pm
I happened across a group of guns that has two more that use a version of the tube sight affair. They might not be Daisys, though. Maybe someone will know what they are. |
Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: October-30-2019 at 8:18am
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Not sure about the two top pump guns or the double barrel (perhaps Wyandot?) but the others are not Daisy. The look like Paris toy guns. Paris did make a few BB guns but most were toy/drill guns. Gary |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: November-06-2019 at 4:40pm
| Thanks Gary- I was clueless! |
Posted By: Dannop2
Date Posted: November-06-2019 at 9:02pm
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Funny coincidence , I just sold a Parris Kadet BB Gun rifle a few days ago , cool guns and man they hit hard . ------------- Realshooter |