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Wide frame"Pop Gun"?

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Topic: Wide frame"Pop Gun"?
Posted By: Airitis
Subject: Wide frame"Pop Gun"?
Date Posted: July-03-2018 at 9:23pm
Just saw a wide frame pop gun. It had a beautiful front and rear stock which were a great imitation of wood but made of plastic. It had gold metal and no engraving on the barrel. When I first picked it up I thought it might be a 95 or 96, that's how good it looked.

Has anyone ever seen one of these, and what is it called? I almost considered investing in it.

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-04-2018 at 4:02am
New one on me, did you catch the Model no.?


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: July-04-2018 at 9:16am
Never seen a wide frame toy gun either.
Hope someone can find some pictures.
From the description of the stock I am guessing the mid 60's or later?
Gary


Posted By: rexron911
Date Posted: July-04-2018 at 9:58pm
I am looking for a Daisy 760 PoP Gun Stock??


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Okay, Black Bart, now you get yours!!!


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-05-2018 at 12:50am
Did it look like the gun below? It's a pellet gun but has quite a *POP* when dry fired...


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-05-2018 at 1:08am
Originally posted by rexron911 rexron911 wrote:

I am looking for a Daisy 760 PoP Gun Stock??
It uses the same stock as other similar era Daisys. I say "it uses", maybe I should say other stocks will fit. I'm not sure if there's a difference in length between it and another gun made during the same time frame, but I doubt there is. If it was me, I'd measure the length of the stock from the horizontal through-screw to the middle of the butt and use that as a way to match up a stock from another gun- finding a stock from a 760 will not be easy.
BTW, your 760 is based on the model 107 "trombone" action.
 


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 1:12pm
Yes Cobalt. It looked very much like this but no rear sight (or maybe it broke off) and I did not see any barrel markings. How is it loaded? The shot tube screws out but is only a small thread on the bottom.

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 3:06pm
The lever action Daisy pellet guns used a plastic clip that slides into a recess about where the abutment of a BB gun would be. You can see the cutout on the forearm to make clearance for the clip.
 
 
The only one of these pellet guns I've seen disassembled was a model 450. It used a brass shot tube that wasn't threaded, instead it was held in place by a C-clip so it couldn't be easily removed like you're describing. This gun can be seen here- https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136848.0" rel="nofollow - https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136848.0 .
 
Your gun seems to be a mystery- I'm at a loss!!


Posted By: Dan Neidinger
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 8:02pm
Could it be a Quick Skill with no shot tube


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by Airitis Airitis wrote:

Yes Cobalt. It looked very much like this but no rear sight (or maybe it broke off) and I did not see any barrel markings. How is it loaded? The shot tube screws out but is only a small thread on the bottom.
Maybe a 499? The 499 shot tube is below. The 499 is a single shot muzzle loader. The black composite 'funnel' on the muzzle end of the shot tube is there to help make dropping a BB down the tube easier but it may make the gun look like something other than a BB gun if you're not used to it.
 



Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 9:24pm
I plan on going back and giving the gun a good second look.....with a magnifying glass. I'll try to get more information this week. Maybe take a few pictures. Stay tuned.

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-06-2018 at 9:57pm
So the 499 shot tube isn't like what you saw?


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 8:43am
Do all of the pop guns have the 'bolt or rivet' through the end of the barrel to prevent putting a shot tube in it.
Not sure what they do on the new ones.
Gary


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 12:10pm
Older pop guns usually have the rivet through the end of the barrel. Newer ones have the legally required orange plug in the end. I have one with a gold plug also.

The one I saw had a hand written tag that said it was a pop gun but that could be an error on the part of the seller. The shot tube I saw did look similar to the picture of the 499 but not exactly. If it turns out to be a single shot target gun I'll be sad because that means the rear sight was broken off. On the other hand, that might bring it down into my price range.

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 6:21pm
That it has a removable shot tube tells us it's not a pop gun, although it might be incapable of doing much more than popping (like if the air tube's broken off, a common occurrence w/the older guns). Old single shot guns like the Number 12 Model 29 (shown below) and Model H didn't have a threaded shot tube, they used spring pressure to hold the tube in place sealed w/a leather seal.
 


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 8:19pm
Well, Everything I first saw about this gun confused me. I did go back and give it a good going over. Turns out when I said it had a gold color (I was a bit wrong. It was more silvery) I found it had been painted. The added paint filled in any etchings on the barrel. The shot tube WAS different looking. It was filled with dirt and a spider cocoon. The broken rear sight was not broken at all. It was a bracket for a rear sight....again painted over. The threads were still in there and in tact.

I was fairly sure the heavy plastic furniture was common to an early model 499. I took a chance and bought it. At home I stripped away some paint and found it IS a 499! I cleaned out the tube and it fires smoothly. :-) I always wanted one of these target guns. All I need to do now is locate a rear sight assembly. Mystery Solved!

In case anyone can analyze the lot # it is C700583

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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 11:13pm
Your gun is March, 1977.  I know of only one other example of a plastic stocked 499, it dates from 1978- both are years before the 'official' 1980 introduction date. Since then I've seen the Model 499 intro date as early as 1976. Your gun should have a metal lever and no slider safety on the right side of the receiver, like the newer wood 499s have. There should be a spot welded bracket on the top rear to mount the peep sight and I believe the front sight should be a globe-type w/removable inserts. Daisy still sells the front sight inserts, spring, collar and washer as well as 2 different types of peep sights that will work w/the front sight.
Does your gun have a cast metal trigger blade or a stamped steel trigger? 


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: July-07-2018 at 11:33pm

Your gun is March, 1977.  I know of only one other example of a plastic stocked 499, it dates from 1978. The 'official' 1980 introduction date was for the 499A, your gun predates the 499A and 499B guns. I've seen the Model 499 (no A or B) intro date as early as 1976.

 

Your gun should have a metal lever and no slider safety on the right side of the receiver, like the newer wood 499s have. There should be a spot welded bracket on the top rear to mount the peep sight and I believe the front sight should be a globe-type w/removable inserts. Daisy still sells the front sight inserts, spring, collar and washer as well as 2 different types of peep sights that will work w/the front sight.

 

Does your gun have a cast metal trigger blade or a stamped steel trigger?


Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: July-08-2018 at 6:40am
Cobalt, you are spot-on!! My gun is just as you describe. The trigger is cast and in an assembly, no safety. The funnel of the shot tube is slightly different from the picture in this thread. Must have been redesigned for the 1980 gun's introduction. Front sight is interchangeable, but I only have one insert. The metal cocking lever is black and has a white insert.

Thanks to all for helping to solve this "POP GUN" puzzle. Hahahaha

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