HOW TO TELL WHEN MY GUN WAS MADE- Reg/Lot No. code
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Topic: HOW TO TELL WHEN MY GUN WAS MADE- Reg/Lot No. code
Posted By: cobalt327
Subject: HOW TO TELL WHEN MY GUN WAS MADE- Reg/Lot No. code
Date Posted: December-08-2018 at 9:37pm
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The following is some info I've put together on the way the REG/LOT NO. are formatted. It's a work in progress. There's one document that tells the story of the Daisy numbering "system". I believe it was compiled in the early '90s. It's http://www.network54.com/Forum/576299/message/1379141967/The+Daisy+Numbering+system" rel="nofollow - HERE . Also the Daisy Museum has a form you can fill out and mail to them to get info on when a Daisy airgun was made (form http://www.daisymuseum.com/knowmore.aspx" rel="nofollow - HERE ). Info specific to the 880: http://forum.daisymuseum.com/daisy-model-880-dating-and-variation-info_topic8044.html" rel="nofollow - Daisy
Model 880 dating and variation info . Info specific to the model 1200 CO2 pistol: http://forum.daisymuseum.com/dating-the-daisy-model-1200-co2-bb-pistol_topic8278.html#38260" rel="nofollow - The best online info for
determining when a Plymouth MI model 25 was made is here: http://www.daisyking.com/history/chronology3.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.daisyking.com/history/chronology3.htm The number Daisy first used was called the Register Number, or “REG. NO.”. The REG. NO. was a letter followed by six numbers on most guns (the No. 25 briefly used a number without any prefix). Beginning late 1972 the REG. NO. was formatted to let anyone knowing how, to decipher the year and month the gun was "made' (actually it was the date the gun was stamped, actual production could lag behind the stamping date). The REG. NO. stayed in use until sometime in the mid-'70s when it was changed to a “LOT NO.” READING THE CODE Until the 3rd quarter of 2017, all codes containing letters, A
through M (less “I”) is the month: MONTH CODESA January C March J September M December Reg. and Lot Numbers could be read by anyone knowing how from 1972 onward. From 1972 until 1982 the code was one letter (month) followed by six digits. The first digit is the last number of the
year. The next five digits is the production sequence. In approximately 1982 the code format was changed to:
One digit (year)>One letter (month)>Five digits (production sequence) In about 1993 the format changed to: Two digits (year)>One letter
(month)>Five digits (production sequence). Since then it has changed several
more times but I haven't pinned down the dates as closely on the late model
guns as I have the earlier guns.
From: Joe Murfin <jmurfin@daisymuseum.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 2:37 PM Subject: Daisy Model 880
"The first 880 frame was stamped A113155 on May 16, 1972. So the A designation was simply a beginning of the model's Register No. sequence (can't tell you why it was not A000000.) On October 5, 1972, a batch of 880 frames were stamped with Reg. No.s B061994 to B067600."
I often read that "I" wasn't used by Daisy as
LOT or REG. NO. prefix. The way I'm seeing it shake out is, "I" WAS
used as a prefix before Daisy changed the numbers along about 1972 to allow
anyone knowing the 'code' to decipher the year and month the gun was made. No
doubt the thought was that “I” could be mistaken for the number “1”. So up
until 1972 “I” was used, after ’72 “I” was not used. If the gun in question has an "I" prefix, the number is not decipherable by using the code below. The
following pertains directly to the model 880 but other models follow a similar pattern. However, the exact changeover dates will be different. From 1993 on, I
need a lot more samples.
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One letter>Six digits changed to One
digit>One letter>Five digits
o 1982
Sept. LOT. NO. J202705
o 1982 Nov. LOT. NO 2L08750
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One digit>One letter>Five digits changed
to Two digits>One letter>Five digits
o 1992
Aug., 20th Anniversary 880 LOT. NO. 2H03196
o 1992
Dec. LOT. NO. 92M15985 (NOT a 20th Anniversary model)
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Two digits>One letter>Five digits changed
to Four digits>Space>Five digits
o 1993
Nov., LOT. NO. 93L11694
o 1994
Oct. LOT. NO. 1094 15318 (this should eventually be shown to have begun
by early 1994) By August 2008 "LOT. NO." was dropped and just the numbers/letter remained.
LOT NO. Four digits>Space>Five digits was last seen to be used 2011 Feb. on a model 880. The 1938B had already changed by 2010 when the format changed to Thirteen digits>One letter. This lasted until about Aug. 2017. The month code also changed to:
F : Jan
G : Feb
H : Mar
J : Apr
K : May
M : Jun
N : Jul
Q : Aug
U : Sep
V : Oct
X : Nov
Z : Dec
In the 3rd quarter of 2017 the Daisy airgun number (no longer called "LOT NO.) format changed yet again. Now it contains 16 digits and a new format for the letter suffix of the month. The first two digits indicate the production facility, the next two are the year, then a production sequence/QC number and finally the letter indicating the month. This format has been seen on models 35, 105B, 880, 901, 1910, 1938B and 1999C.
The new month format is similar to the original where A = Jan., B = Feb., etc. except this time the letter "I" IS used.
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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: December-18-2018 at 9:52am
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DATING CLUES
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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: December-18-2018 at 7:37pm
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Once again, this is good stuff, Cobalt. I even printed off this info to use as a handy reference. It is waayyyy too much to commit to memory.....at least for me. Good to have on hand. ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: December-19-2018 at 12:58am
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Thanks for that, I appreciate it. PLEASE CHECK HERE FOR UPDATES I'm listing these things by the approximate time they began so new entries will not necessarily be added to the end of the list. DATING CLUES 12-18-18 Added info about dating Heddon/Victor guns 12-19-18 Added when warnings appeared on guns 12-24-18 Added Sears model info 1-2-19 Added when plastic started 1-3-19 Amended date bluing ended
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Posted By: SteveinUT
Date Posted: December-19-2018 at 5:34pm
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Very informative thread. I just got a Mod 99 today, for free. In pretty decent condition, too, except the shot tube is missing and it has a broken lever. Just got a lever ordered off of Ebay and I ordered a new shot tube from Daisy. I think everything else is good, but I am new to these older Daisy's. If anyone can tell me the approximate manufacture date for this 99, I'd appreciate it. I'm just curious. Wood stock with a missing medallion, and wood forend, along with a factory sling. It is: Reg# 607075 It *might* be L607075. I can't tell if the "L" is just a small scratch that looks like an L or not. Thanks!
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Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: December-20-2018 at 2:30pm
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It likely is a letter L, that would follow the REG. NO. pattern of one letter followed by six numbers. There's a chance it was made Nov. 1976 but w/o the lever being there to give a clue I just cannot be sure. There's a good chance your gun was made before it was possible for anyone knowing how, to read the date from the stamping. To be sure you will need to send a form in to the Daisy Museum, there's a link at the end of the first paragraph of post #1. Good luck.
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Posted By: Airitis
Date Posted: December-23-2018 at 9:13am
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Steve, I wish I had a nickle for each Daisy I found with a missing shot tube. There were a few comments on here a while back on that subject, and the frustration it causes. Some of us have "Frankensteined" those guns by screwing in model 25 shot tubes. The length may not be exactly the same but it might get the gun back in shooting condition. I have a couple extra tubes on hand for just such an occasion. Daisy still sells them. Less than $15 each as I recall. Is your 99 a single shot or some other variation? ------------- Air-It-Is |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: December-23-2018 at 5:23pm
| SteveinUT, if you see this re read my post- I edited it. |
Posted By: SteveinUT
Date Posted: December-24-2018 at 10:17pm
| Thanks gents! I have a new shot tube on-order from Daisy for it. I don't *think* it's a single shot? I guess I'll find out when the shot tube gets here. By the manual, it looks like the tube is unscrewed from the barrel and then there is a tab I slide forward to expose the fill port. The manual says it's a 50 shot tube, if I remember correctly. |
Posted By: SteveinUT
Date Posted: December-26-2018 at 9:06am
| Good to go. Another old Daisy back in service. It even shoots pretty good, so I think the seals are ok. Oiled them up so hoping it will build even better power. At about 10 yards it won't reliably penetrate a pop can, but it did manage to punch through a couple of times. |
Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: January-02-2019 at 2:36pm
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Steve, it should shoot uber hard- harder than the current model 25 shoots. If you're talking about an aluminum drink can, it should go through several cans in a row. Adding oil to rejuvenate the seals can be done with the gun assembled but it's easier if it's taken apart. That said, if you want to you can try to http://forum.daisymuseum.com/rejuvenate-or-replace-leather-seals_topic8070.html" rel="nofollow -
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