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Topic: Daisy double barrel on American Pickers
Posted By: Ford57
Subject: Daisy double barrel on American Pickers
Date Posted: May-04-2020 at 6:54pm
   Yesterday while watching American Pickers I saw that Mike was looking at a Daisy double barrel shotgun. (Possible re-run ?) It was beautiful and and it looked like a real shotgun. I noticed that when he tried to cock it that he put it on the edge of a table and push down on the stock. It was obviously very hard to cock.
    I think that he bought it for about $600.
    After that I looked in my Gary Garber encyclopedia and noticed that he had a picture of one with a broken stock and a comment that they are prone to breaking.
With the value of them, I just can't imagine trying to cock one and breaking it.
That would ruin my day.     
       



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Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-05-2020 at 9:54am
Yes, not easy, you were cocking two power plants at the same time. Just one reason they were not very popular. The original 104 had a wood stock and the reintroduced 21 had a plastic stock that was even more fragile.
Since most kids did not like them production numbers were low for both models and they are sought after now.
Gary


Posted By: Iceman
Date Posted: May-05-2020 at 10:21am
If you follow eBay, the double barrels are bringing absolute premium prices.  Some even bringing $2000-$3000+ for one in great condition (some with box which is rare).  I have both the Model 104 and Model 21 (with box and original manual).  Although, I have been very tempted to sell at this time, I simply cannot bring myself to part with these beautiful guns.  My model 21 is the light stock/forearm variant which the stock is reinforced compared with the darker stock/forearm variant.  I did see that pickers episode and yes it was a rerun that I viewed quite a while ago.

Star  


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Steve


Posted By: Ford57
Date Posted: May-06-2020 at 2:16pm
Gary and Steve
   I can understand how cocking two power plants could be real tough for a child.
    In the 50's I can remember how cocking my RR was tough when I was about 12.
    2K to 3K is a staggering amount. I don't remember them (double barrel) in my early years. Fast forward to now from the pictures that I see of them, Daisy sure did do a nice job of making them. Does anyone know if the double barrel BB guns were actually designed for children or adults? As nice as they are, I think that they were for adults. This still not be the first time that I was wrong.
     In my collection of stuff I discovered 3 pop guns that I forgot about. The one that is not working is a plain double barrel Daisy. The strange thing is that it is only marked Daisy with nothing else on it. It's funny how we change over the years and get interested in things that we didn't care for years ago.
Jay       


Posted By: Iceman
Date Posted: May-06-2020 at 10:01pm
I grew up as a child in the 50's.  The 104 double barrel was 1938-1940 and the Model 21 was 1968-1972.  Therefore, one manufactured way before my time (and they did not sell many) and one when I was in college and subsequently newly married.  They were simply not on the market at the times I would have had an interest.  However, I did not even know that they existed until I started collecting Daisy's.  

As for whether they were made for children or not.  It is my opinion that they were for children, however, you are right that they were heavy and hard to cock.  As a result, they did not go over very well.  But there were many other models that really were not designed with children in mind.  A couple that come to mind are the Model 40 with bayonet and Model 140.  Both are heavy are hard to manipulate if you were a child.  I also have found that the 107 Buck Jones is certainly a challenge to cock as well.  I am just not sure what the design engineers were thinking back in the day.  But, I am glad they made them!  
Star

         


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Steve


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-07-2020 at 8:44am
I am not sure Daisy had much of an adult marketing strategy back then unless it was to appeal to men who used a double barrel to buy one for their son.

The straight back 107 action comes from a Markham design that was an attempt to compete with Daisy's  'elbow' style No 25. When Daisy bought out Markham they eventually adopted the design as a less expensive pump gun in its stable. 
Yes they are much harder to cock than the 25's. Kids must have been a lot stronger back then.
Gary


Posted By: Yng@hrt
Date Posted: May-09-2020 at 9:50pm
There's some discussion as to whether or not the Model 21 or 104 were made for children or adults. My guess would be adults. Two obvious problems for kids, one that's already been mentioned...hard to cock & special care must be taken so as to not damage the stock. The second would be reaching the forward trigger. It takes large adult hands. No way could a kid pull that trigger w/o moving his/her hand off the pistol grip.




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Favorite guns; Daisy's, Benji's & Sheridan's


Posted By: Bavaria55n
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 6:17am
You could probably check the advertising for the 104 and 21 to see what market Daisy was aiming at.
Did they change where they advertised the doubles compared to the kids guns and did they direct the ads at adults?
One of the major strengths of Daisy was their advertising.

Gary


Posted By: Yng@hrt
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 7:43am
The first link I posted shows an ad with both father & son holding the gun.

This next Popular Mechanics ad has "Boys" as the heading;
https://books.google.com/books?id=SNwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=popular+mechanics+daisy+double+barrel+shotgun&source=bl&ots=t1ivE9wOE5&sig=ACfU3U2BwvvnPWmdm7TNhUHEX-J1CtsIBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOlI-9mqnpAhUNQ80KHRlhAZEQ6AEwCnoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%20daisy%20double%20barrel%20shotgun&f=false" rel="nofollow - https://books.google.com/books?id=SNwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=popular+mechanics+daisy+double+barrel+shotgun&source=bl&ots=t1ivE9wOE5&sig=ACfU3U2BwvvnPWmdm7TNhUHEX-J1CtsIBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOlI-9mqnpAhUNQ80KHRlhAZEQ6AEwCnoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%20daisy%20double%20barrel%20shotgun&f=false

It would appear both adults & youth were targeted.


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Favorite guns; Daisy's, Benji's & Sheridan's


Posted By: BB1Shooter
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 1:23pm
Wow only $5 for one.
 
What's that in today's dollars?


Posted By: BSAGuy
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 1:52pm
$5 in November, 1938 = $92.18 in today's dollars.

The 1968 price of +/- $22.95 = $167.30 in today's dollars.


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Be Prepared


Posted By: MarvMar
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 2:31pm
That was a LOT of money back in 1938....SORRY !!!! Have to tell this story. My dad bought our 75 Acre farm in 1938 for $2000. He had $15 in the bank and borrowed the rest from the auctioneer who was selling it as a forecloser. Dad never signed a paper...just a hand shake.  How does that song go..."Times they are a changing..."
 


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Marv, NW OH


Posted By: BSAGuy
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 4:55pm
Interesting story, Marv.  That $2,000 would be $36,872, or $492/acre in 2020 dollars.  Sounds like a pretty good deal.

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Be Prepared


Posted By: MarvMar
Date Posted: May-10-2020 at 5:49pm
Land here in NW OH is selling for $8-$10,000 an acre...if decent buildings add another $2000...and you better buy fast.



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Marv, NW OH


Posted By: Ford57
Date Posted: May-22-2020 at 10:07pm
Thanks for that link to the Popular Mechanics ad. I noticed one of the ads had a date of 1939. Back in the old days I always liked looking at the Daisy ads and I remember the ad for the single shot Daisy . It was $1.25. On this site I once saw an for the same single shot and it was $1.00.   


Posted By: cobalt327
Date Posted: May-22-2020 at 11:22pm
This is from about 1933:

1937:


Posted By: oldwizzer
Date Posted: May-23-2020 at 2:06pm
Daisy had a lot of bb gun ads with a Father & Son in them, with a number of different bb guns. In spite of some  posters  thinking the double barrel's were made for adults I believe they were for kids probably  in the 10-14 yr. old's. Not many families in my area could afford one, none of the kids i grew up with had one.

Ejwills.


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Ejwills


Posted By: Rhomsey01
Date Posted: June-30-2020 at 2:14pm
I was born in 1962 South Georgia / North Florida area. I had the model 21 as a 9 yr old hunting the woods😊. We all had guns. I cocked it all the time. Loved the gun


Posted By: oldwizzer
Date Posted: July-01-2020 at 1:20pm
In the 1940's after the war we had to be contended with a Red Ryder, Model 25 etc. [if you were lucky].all made by Daisy. I got my Red Ryder  as a gift for selling seed packets.

Ejwills.


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Ejwills


Posted By: Iceman
Date Posted: July-01-2020 at 2:56pm
Wow!  You were a very lucky young boy to have a Model 21 double barrel!

Star



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Steve


Posted By: Rhomsey01
Date Posted: July-02-2020 at 10:49am
Unfortunately we don’t appreciate the past until it’s gone.
Yes I was lucky...Thanks Dad who had 5 boys😊👍🏻
Spend many of times putting the butt of the gun on the ground and with two hands at the top of the barrel cocked those barrels. I was 8 - 10 yr old. Fortunately the butt didn’t break.

I need a strap for my model 40 with the flat ring. I have the authentic bayonet and tip.
Thanks for reaching out, I’m new at this. Been collecting for 3 months😅

Currently, and I hope I’m done ‘cause it’s costing me, have the model 104, 40, 140, 98 and a really beautiful restored 1894 spittin image and a restored Gold Buffalo Bill 30 / 30👍🏻😊

If you have some beautiful Daisy’s military guns I’ll be interested in a few months. Just don’t tell the wife I bought another gun.😂



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