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    Posted: September-08-2019 at 8:05am
Hi, I recently acquired a nice Daisy Red Ryder No. 1938, not 1938 B, at a garage sale for $7. It has a September 1951 pat. date and a Reg. No. K584789. There is no Safety of any type, Phillips screw heads, logo on right side of wood stock, thin front band, leather thong ring does not show on right side, and an adjustable rear sight. It was made in Rogers Arkansas, and painted black, not blued. It has the little yellow instruction sticker on the left side of the stock.

The shot tube, air tube and loading are all exactly as the old model Red Ryders.

I suspect that it is nothing special or rare even though I don't have another one.

I am unable to find much about it. Can you tell me anything about it? Age, value, etc.?

Thank you , regards, gkenny.
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Sounds like a MODEL 1938 Mfg. 1972-78.

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I think your Model 1938 Red Ryder was produced in October of 1975.
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That's a great price!

1975 is correct, but I have some reservations regarding the ""K" prefix equating to October. Reason I say that is because "K" is seen on all but one of the No. 1938 RR Carbines I have documented from 1974 to 1979. A few earlier guns were stamped with "L", and only 3 guns out of 37 from 1972 to 1979 have anything other than L or K. But I suppose there's a chance these guns were only run mainly during Oct. and Nov. I need to ask Joe Murfin about this.

I'm guessing your lever is like the one on the right?

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From a post I made earlier:

The No. 1938 Red Ryder Carbine had a relatively short 8 year production run, made between 1972 and 1979. It is a very close copy of the No. 111 Model 40 Red Ryder, going all the way back to 1940. There are a few differences like the design of the levers as well as the metal they’re made from, 111-40 lever pivot was low versus the 1938 high lever pivot screw position that changes the lever ratio of the No. 1938, giving it a longer throw that takes less initial effort to actuate, the No. 1938 has a lighter spring rate than the 111-40, the spring anchor shape differs slightly, the rear sight notch of the No. 1938 from mid-1973 onward is a narrow notch as opposed to the wider “dual notch” of the 111-40, most 111-40s were blued while all No. 1938s are painted, later No. 1938s have the logo on the RH side and use phillips head screws instead of slotted screws like the 111-40. All 1938s used a “REG. NO. even when almost all other Daisys had changed over to “LOT NO.”.

There were two different levers used on the No. 1938 Red Ryder Carbine. The first type has "notches" along the bottom and has a plastic insert where the receiver pinches the lever to hold it closed. This lever was also used on a couple of the wide frame guns like the model 98 and 99 but even so, it's the least common curved alloy lever. The later style lever has 'DAISY' on it and it also uses the plastic wear insert. 

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Congrats on the score, gkenny.  That's a super price.  Hope the condition is equally as good.
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Good find. A lot of people need to take note that your post say's NO not MODEL. that makes a big difference in what rifle you are talking about. They are getting harder to find. We use to call the NO 1938 the reproduction Red Ryder. They were the first ones made after they stopped making the original Red Ryder
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Originally posted by RRyder95 RRyder95 wrote:

Sounds like a MODEL 1938 Mfg. 1972-78.


Thank you, any idea of value or scarcity in average condition/

Regards, gkenny.
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Originally posted by 39hunter 39hunter wrote:

I think your Model 1938 Red Ryder was produced in October of 1975.

Thank you 39hunter, are they rare?

Regards, gkenny.
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Originally posted by cobalt327 cobalt327 wrote:

That's a great price!

1975 is correct, but I have some reservations regarding the ""K" prefix equating to October. Reason I say that is because "K" is seen on all but one of the No. 1938 RR Carbines I have documented from 1974 to 1979. A few earlier guns were stamped with "L", and only 3 guns out of 37 from 1972 to 1979 have anything other than L or K. But I suppose there's a chance these guns were only run mainly during Oct. and Nov. I need to ask Joe Murfin about this.

I'm guessing your lever is like the one on the right?

Yes cobalt327, that is the lever. Any idea of rarity or value in average condition? Regards, gkenny. 

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