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    Posted: November-07-2018 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by willielumplump willielumplump wrote:

Another feature to check out is the shot tube; at the end with the thread that seats it over the air tube, there is a loading chute that the BBs follow to the loading point; the narrow channel (1940-1942) is indicative of the very early variations, and the wider loading chute (1947-1954) the latter versions.  This gem of information came from Gary Garber's outstanding book, "An Encyclopedia of Daisy Plymouth Guns," which sadly, is out of print. 
Additionally there was a brief time when the Red Ryder logo on the stock was silk-screened, estimated to be about 1000 of them, either in 1941 or 1942, because the machine that burned the logo into the stock had broke down.
 
When I acquire a new/used specimen, I always inspect the shot tube, checking for the BB retaining spring or the gap in the loading chute, or just to verify that the shot tube is not clogged, and that there is in fact, an air tube at the base of the muzzle.Wink
Just wanted to add that the 1946 111-40 Red Ryder with iron lever, non adjustable sights and blued bands, etc. (Variation 4 Daisy King http://www.daisyking.com/history/chronology/Chapter02.swf) could have a large or small top stock screw and could also have a narrow or wide BB chute on the shot tube. I have an example of the DK V4 111-40 and it has the narrow chute and  large top stock screw. Powerplant is same as the V1 copper band gun I have. Both very hard hitters compared to new Daisy BB guns.
 

111-40 EARLY RED RYDER "LARGE" TOP STOCK SCREW:

OAL 1-13/16”, 1.817”

Under head shaft length 1-11/16”, 1.680”

Unthreaded shaft length 0.508”, 1/2”

Shaft diameter 0.188”, 3/16”

Head diameter 11/32” , 0.345”

Head thickness 9/64”, 0.140”

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Silk screened will look like its painted on, burned on will be indented.

 
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Guys,
How would you know the difference between the logo being burnt in or silk screened?
Does the burnt in look black?
Would the silk screened wear off?
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I have a 1947 variation with aluminum cocking lever but the shot tube has the narrow schute and stock looks burned in. Red ryder logo seems thin. Do the RR logos get rubbed thin with heavy usage?  Pressed in logos seem deep.  I know it hasn't been sanded. Also read on daisy kings site that some guns could have an older shot tube and some could have gotten the cast iron lever. The last No 111 Mod 40 was made March 16th 1954. I have one of the last ones made, March 14th 1954.
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Another thing to consider is that the shot tube and the stock can easily be replaced, by former owners,  if they were worn out or cracked some time in their past. Wood burned stocks are easy to spot with a little experience. Dirt build up can look similar. 
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That part is the spring anchor! Its not suppose to move unless you intend to take the gun apart, and that requires a special fork spring removing tool. 
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Thanks for the information i have read already. It appears that I might have one of the ones made between 1947 and 1949. Really old looking with the Red Rider etched in the left side of wood, not iron lever, and doesn't appear to have any adjustments for sights. the barrel end screws out also. My question is there is a small piece infront of the rear sight but does not seem to move. any additional information would be appreciated.
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thanks if you go on you tube i put up two videos  of the gun you can look at it, its under- vintage red ryder gun-  or RED RYDER VINTAGE GUN- name scott hanstein first video not that great but the second is better you can see the gun the gun looks unused on the wood, but i'm no expert thanks
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HI;  the band on the forearm is not welded, it can be easily removed by placing a block of wood on the butt side and gently hammer nudged forward.  If the front sight barrel band is peened, and not spot welded, then you have an original copper banded Red Ryder with the copper plating worn.  The silver appearance of the barrel and the bands is indicative of heavy usage....I have two like the one you have described.  There are three ways that you can proove out my theory: 
once you can remove the forearm band from the specimen, look at the underside of the band and if it is copper colored.... bingo.
 
is the rear sight adjustable?  (might be a little screw forward of the V sight blade).
 
remove the shot tube, and at the very end check out the loadingchute, if it is narrow....bingo.
 
but the key is the peened barrel band front sight and the inside of the forearm band
 
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trying to find out when my red ryder bb gun was made it says red ryder carbine no 111 model 40 pats 880.555-1,062855 other pats pending daisy mfg plymouth michigan usa the barrel is a silver color so is the trigger the lever is cast iron cast iron  the wood is light in color a blond color and the wood is shinny and smooth so is the red ryder in the stock looks like it was stamped on the stock not burned in the bands are the same silverish color the one on the barrel is peened the one on the forearm is spot welded any info would help thank. can email pics too just give me email
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