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    Posted: April-19-2018 at 11:54pm

I was shooting some guns today, and I can say that out of my three Buck Jones 107 guns two are about as hard as any gun in my collection, but the third gun is not, and they are original.

I also have two Red Ryder transition guns, wood stock and plastic forearms that were shooting real hard today. I have a few more Red Ryder guns, the first model copper band guns, two of these both shoot hard one is original and one has been restored by Jim Dry.

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Originally posted by cobalt327 cobalt327 wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Cates Rick Cates wrote:

My King I referred to is marked King Markham.  The reason I refer to it as a King is King listed first on the receiver.  I have other Markham Kings which Markham is listed first.  I have never understood why they were stamped different on different models.  I have one really small frame and short Markham King that must have been made for a small kid.  Really cute in my opinion and a different shape from all the others.  I only have a few Kings and ended up with them sort of by accident while collecting the Daisy's.
Like I stated earlier I collect the old Plymouth lever Daisy's.  Most of the fun is in the hunt and then making them work correctly if they don't when I find them.
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Rick, what spring do you use (if you do, that is) if a cast iron lever Red Ryder needed a replacement? I have looked high and low for a decent spring- even bought all the springs for Daisy guns at JG- and still have not found anything that's even as strong as what comes in a Crosman/Sheridan Cowboy.
Thanks, Mark

I have not replaced any of the springs with anything but a reclaimed spring from another parts donner Daisy.  Most of the ones I repaired were missing most of the old leather seals.  Some of the old leather seals have come out in stringy pieces.  I build my own seals from leather purchased at the local craft store.  With new seals and good soaking of oil they perform well.  The hard shooting King is just the way I found it.  Not sure if it was ever rebuilt.  It does not show to be tampered with.  Like I have said it shoots hard but accuracy is not that great but it is still fun to shoot.
We live out in the country so it is easy to pull out the Daisy's or King and fire off a few rounds and not bother anyone.  They are just fun.
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Originally posted by cobalt327 cobalt327 wrote:

Originally posted by Boley Boley wrote:

An April of 1955 made Model 25 is the hardest shooting Daisy I have. 415 fps. An April 1953 made 111-40 Red Ryder is a close second at 375 fps. Both are (as far as I can tell), original with little signs of use.
I can't imaging a stock Red Ryder shooting 375 fps. If you only knew what it took to get a new RR up to just 350 fps, you'd understand why! A model 425 shooting 425 fps is beyond wild. I would love to own one that hot!
 
I'll get out Gary Garber's book and see what a '55 model 25 looks like and will start watching the auctions.
The Model 25 was 415 fps and the 111-40 was 375 fps measured with a F-1 Chrony. This high velocity comes with a increased cocking effort over my other Red Ryder's and Model 25's.The 111-40 just cocks 90 Degrees and is hard to cock,the 25 is so hard to pump that I take a high grip on the stock to minimize the stress on the plastic stock.  
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Originally posted by Rick Cates Rick Cates wrote:

My King I referred to is marked King Markham.  The reason I refer to it as a King is King listed first on the receiver.  I have other Markham Kings which Markham is listed first.  I have never understood why they were stamped different on different models.  I have one really small frame and short Markham King that must have been made for a small kid.  Really cute in my opinion and a different shape from all the others.  I only have a few Kings and ended up with them sort of by accident while collecting the Daisy's.
Like I stated earlier I collect the old Plymouth lever Daisy's.  Most of the fun is in the hunt and then making them work correctly if they don't when I find them.
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Rick, what spring do you use (if you do, that is) if a cast iron lever Red Ryder needed a replacement? I have looked high and low for a decent spring- even bought all the springs for Daisy guns at JG- and still have not found anything that's even as strong as what comes in a Crosman/Sheridan Cowboy.
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Whoooooops forgot to mention the Pioneer shot at right around 380 fps.
All I'm for is the liberty of the individual.
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The hardest shooting Daisy BB gun I ever shot over a chrony was a Model 25 at just under 360 fps. Pretty sure it was a "1936" var. I just sold one that was doing right at 350 fps. I've have a bunch of 111 model 40's (10 or 12) None of them topped 350. I know, I know, not a very big sampling. Just my experience. The hardest shooting BB spring powered BB gun I ever shot was a Japanese "Pioneer". Kind of a cool looking Kentucky squirrel rifle thing with a Daisy style model 25 shot tube. The shot tube was about 2" longer though. The rifle must have been near 48". 

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Originally posted by Bavaria55n Bavaria55n wrote:

Supposedly the King's did shoot harder than Daisy's but also wore out faster due to the stress.
Also Markham pushed the edge in power as a better killer for small game. A great sales pitch to young boys, not so much to many parents.
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My King I referred to is marked King Markham.  The reason I refer to it as a King is King listed first on the receiver.  I have other Markham Kings which Markham is listed first.  I have never understood why they were stamped different on different models.  I have one really small frame and short Markham King that must have been made for a small kid.  Really cute in my opinion and a different shape from all the others.  I only have a few Kings and ended up with them sort of by accident while collecting the Daisy's.
Like I stated earlier I collect the old Plymouth lever Daisy's.  Most of the fun is in the hunt and then making them work correctly if they don't when I find them.
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Supposedly the King's did shoot harder than Daisy's but also wore out faster due to the stress.
Also Markham pushed the edge in power as a better killer for small game. A great sales pitch to young boys, not so much to many parents.
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Originally posted by Boley Boley wrote:

An April of 1955 made Model 25 is the hardest shooting Daisy I have. 415 fps. An April 1953 made 111-40 Red Ryder is a close second at 375 fps. Both are (as far as I can tell), original with little signs of use.
I can't imaging a stock Red Ryder shooting 375 fps. If you only knew what it took to get a new RR up to just 350 fps, you'd understand why! A model 425 shooting 425 fps is beyond wild. I would love to own one that hot!
 
I'll get out Gary Garber's book and see what a '55 model 25 looks like and will start watching the auctions.
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There is a noticable difference in my Red Ryders from the early 40's cast iron lever models to the alum lever models in the later 40's and 50's.  The plastic stocked Red Ryders are not nearly as hard a hitter as the older ones.  I only have 3 of the plastic stocked Red Ryders to judge that from.  Daisy must have changed the springs somewhere in the later production years.  All my Daisy's shoot and I try some of them out every chance I get weather permitting.  The exception is I do not shoot the double barrels.
I collect the older lever Daisy's and have only one model 25 from the 1920's.  That one can not match the hard hitting King for sure.  My 25 is probably comparable to the Red Ryders give or take a little.  I am just saying this from shooting at alum cans at 30 to 50 ft to judge it by the penetration.  I do not have any way of testing the fps.
I have read that the Kings were built for a .180 bb lead or steel and caused Daisy a lot of problems with those bb's jamming in the Daisy's built for a .177 bb before Daisy purchased Markham King and solved the issue.
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